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R/ElonJetTracker
- Jamie9912 4y ago
- BlargMcLarg 4y agoI don't understand the obsession with infantile "right left" division US politics has and is plaguing the entire world with. There is more nuance to this.
- PicassoCTs 4y agoIts divide and conquer at its finest.
- TaylorAlexander 4y agoIt’s a means of control. Convincing everyone that the bad people are whoever is the other side keeps us divided and is very useful to the people who are actually in control.
- defrost 4y agoBicameral political Stockholm Syndrome at its finest, they know no better so that's all they have <shrug>. ( #NotAllAmericans, of course - but it's certainly a sizable and vocal chunk )
- enkid 4y agoNot everyone who was disgusted by this behavior is on "the left"
- karpour 4y agoThe rest of the world thinks in more complex terms than "the left" and "the right".
- zqfuz 4y agoNo they don't
- phs318u 4y agoSorry, but you don’t speak for me.
- altacc 4y agoI think the spectrum exists most places but it’s a minority of countries where there is such a strong divide and intentional polarisation between only 2 political choices, with those in the relative middle having to choose the lesser evil due to lack of other choice. In many other countries the political parties lie in different areas of the spectrum, with the US’s “left” still quite right leaning compared to many other countries. Where there are more political parties with influence it is more likely that politicians will seek to bridge divides to bring over supporters, rather than just polarise their current supporters to vote more. There are countries where left leaning communities will swing to the right if convinced to do so. But they are still left and right and if you compare the fringe parties I think you’ll often find the same polarisation and combativeness, just less so as it doesn’t win the middle. Basically the more the middle is in play, the less polarised the political parties tend to be (obviously with exceptions).
- Dylan1312 4y agoThis comment reads like something out of an Orwell book. How accurate do you think it is to reduce human virtues, considerations etc to a model which simpliy splits the populations in two? Stop perpetuating football-team politics. Also, the twitter account is still banned.
- password54321 4y agoThis is about the hypocrisy over free speech not ‘the left’. But I suppose that won’t stop you from mindlessly rallying behind him no matter how hard he clowns you and everyone else for his own pleasure thinking he is somehow on ‘your side’. Just like someone else…
- altacc 4y agoI’m not sure I qualify as a spokesperson for the entire “left” ;) It seems a lot of people are pointing out the massive amounts of hypocrisy Elon is displaying, as well as how fickle & fragile the concept of free speech is when it comes up against the personal opinions of a billionaire. Plus a democratic vote, which is definitely not what a Twitter poll is, controlling speech is exactly the thing that many on the (if we’re using labels) “right” objected to once a truly democratic vote (within a flawed process) delivered a government that they didn’t want. True freedom of speech is a fixed principle, not dictated by the whims of current powers, votes or Overton window.
- throw0101c 4y ago> It seems a lot of people are pointing out the massive amounts of hypocrisy Elon is displaying, as well as how fickle & fragile the concept of free speech is when it comes up against the personal opinions of a billionaire. As Peter Kafka (heh) wrote over at Vox: > But I think we’re better off if we face reality on reality’s terms: One of the richest men in history bought something many of us use and like. Because he could. And now he’s going to run it based on his whims. Because he can. * https://www.vox.com/recode/2022/12/16/23512993/doxxing-elon-musk-twitter-journalist-ban https://www.vox.com/recode/2022/12/16/23512993/doxxing-elon-...
- altacc 4y agoIndeed. The whole point all along was that Twitter as a private company could moderate content as it saw fit. Let us now try and score some internet points by pointing out that the new buyer disagreed with that idea enough to spend $44 billion to correct it. However once it was their private company and their opinions that could control the content, suddenly that idea of private control of a private entity is excellent and as it should be! This is simply one person changing their very publicly and steadfastly held opinion once the facts align to their own benefit.
- LastTrain 4y agoI don’t know what you are on about with “left” and “right” but neither of those have anything to do with being a hypocrite.
- isoprophlex 4y agoStreisand Effect at its finest...
- _Algernon_ 4y agoBeautiful
- miroljub 4y ago
- jstx1 4y agoIt's beautiful because the information is public anyway and if Elon had acted like a reasonable human being, nobody would have cared about what he does with his plane.
- wutwutwutwut 4y agoIs tracking an airplane stalking? Since airplanes are required to be tracked by law, this seems like an odd interpretation.
- sn0w_crash 4y agoThis is correct. He is not ideologically aligned with the mob, so now it’s ok to do whatever. In fact it is encouraged, as if it were some act of rebellion.
- kolinko 4y agoIt breaks reddit rules probably - against doxxing and publishing private information of individuals. My bet is that it will get banned very soon.
- wutwutwutwut 4y agoThis is public information, not private.
- dvhh 4y agoI think that's the defense used by most "doxxing" website.
- wutwutwutwut 4y agoI wouldn't know. The person I replied to claimed that it was "private information of individuals". If it's public info by law then referring to it as private seems very misleading, wouldn't you say?
- wizeman 4y ago> If it's public info by law then referring to it as private seems very misleading, wouldn't you say? But it's not public information by law. It's private information: https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy The aircraft tracking data itself is public, but what's not public is the information which links the temporary aircraft identifier to its owner when the owner is using that privacy program, which is the case for Elon: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603803508087537665 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603803508087537665
- wutwutwutwut 4y agoDo you have a source which isn't Elon Musk? Using Musk as a source for claims in this seems a bit silly to me.
- sn0w_crash 4y ago
- TylerE 4y agoConsidering the data is already collected for every aircraft, the “collective time and effort” is so close to zero as to get lost in the noise.
- newbieuser 4y ago
- zqfuz 4y agoSpot on, but to me it's rather sad, and I wish I didn't have to read about it here, since I have no interest in celebrity gossip
- newbieuser 4y agohackernews is one such place. they can post such nonsense on the homepage. and now they flagged my comment for being joking.
- dang 4y agoUsers flagged your comment. They were correct to do so, because it's not the sort of discussion this site is supposed to be for. Joking isn't the problem; the problem is lazy internet snark/trope/flamebait style comments. Users here are generally quick to flag those because we all know from experience what sort of low-quality threads they lead to. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- andrepd 4y ago>mentally ill teenager Source?
- RivieraKid 4y agoThere's no indication that the teenager is mentally ill.
- r721 4y ago>[ Removed by reddit on account of violating the content policy. ] https://old.reddit.com/r/ElonJetTracker/comments/zofevu/removed_by_reddit/ https://old.reddit.com/r/ElonJetTracker/comments/zofevu/remo... UPD Original post title via Google cache/Internet Archive: >Jet IS LIVE, TOOK OFF from [place], at [time] local time (PST), traveling [direction]. Tail [registration code]
- jmeister 4y agoAccount suspended https://old.reddit.com/user/Elon_jet_tracker https://old.reddit.com/user/Elon_jet_tracker
- r721 4y agoSeems to be unsuspended: https://old.reddit.com/r/ElonJetTracker/comments/zoypup/howdy_seems_some_of_you_have_noticed_that_reddit/ https://old.reddit.com/r/ElonJetTracker/comments/zoypup/howd...
- blondin 4y agoso, the subreddit is up but the account removed? that's very weird.
- defrost 4y agoEspecially given the subreddit has a thread providing the source code for the tracking bot.
- tbergeron 4y agoThis is ridiculous...
- TaylorAlexander 4y agohttps://mastodon.social/@elonjet https://mastodon.social/@elonjet
- superjan 4y agoWouldn’t a 24 hour delay be enough to satisfy the curious about Elon’s flying habits, without creating a possible security risk? I don’t know how real the risk is, but it is certainly not zero, as he is a controversial public figure.
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- ArchitectAnon 4y agoADS-B information is broadcast unencrypted in real time from every civilian aircraft all the time. Anyone can receive this information with easily available equipment and tell everyone about it on a website. I don’t think it’s technically possible to censor this information. If you’re worried about someone shooting you down or whatever then you’re going to have to find a different way to counter this. Maybe fit countermeasures or buy another two planes and keep people guessing which one you are on. But it seems overly paranoid TBH.
- wizeman 4y ago> ADS-B information is broadcast unencrypted in real time from every civilian aircraft all the time. ADS-B information is available publicly, but what's not always available publicly is which aircraft (or rather, which aircraft identifier) belongs to whom. Specifically, if an aircraft is subscribed to this program, then it receives a new temporary identifier every month, unconnected to the owner: https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy And Elon's jet is subscribed to this program, as confirmed by Elon himself: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603803508087537665 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603803508087537665 So I think the problem is not tracking some airplane, the problem is connecting an airplane identifier to its owner by other means and then publicly broadcasting that information (i.e. make it easily accessible), when its owner has requested the government for privacy protection under a government program which was specifically designed to provide that exact type of privacy protection.
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- lopatin 4y agoCould Musk successfully make the case that, despite this technically being public information, curating it in such a way to track him personally constitutes harassment?
- sofixa 4y agoI don't really see this flying in front of a court. This information is easily accessible publicly literally one search to get the aircraft registration number and a second one on Flightradar24 or any of the other sites/apps to see where it is. It's not "technically public" as onsite paper records at your mayor's office, it's widely accessible online public.
- wizeman 4y ago> This information is easily accessible publicly literally one search to get the aircraft registration number Except it isn't. Elon's jet has been subscribed to this program for months: https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy This was confirmed by Elon himself: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603803508087537665 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603803508087537665 So if Elon's aircraft identifier was meant to be publicly accessible even though he is using that program, why does this privacy program exist in the first place?
- shapefrog 4y agodox verb: doxx search for and publish private or identifying information about (a particular individual) on the internet, typically with malicious intent.
- 01acheru 4y agoWould it be fair game if Elon's name was removed? If it simply was "Tail #N628TS tracker", could Elon complain about it? It seems that all flight data of a tail number is public, but the owner of said plane is private information. Is it correct?
- altacc 4y agoHmmm, at this rate we’re going to have to create Elon News ;) I think it’s interesting to see somebody who thought content moderation was a simple problem realise that content moderation is actually an incredibly difficult and, in some ways, unsolvable problem. However it risks becoming a dominant conversation when there are plenty of other good conversations to have.
- TheHappyOddish 4y agoWhilst I've had a lot of fun arguing about him, Twitter etc, it is getting a bit stale now. Hopefully he quietens down a bit soon and we can move onto a big and important new topic like 2 spaces or tab!
- dgeiser13 4y agoWhich is staler? Elon Musk or ChatGPT?
- TheHappyOddish 4y agoGood point. I need to configure my RSS reader to filter out both!
- hulitu 4y ago> Hmmm, at this rate we’re going to have to create Elon News ;) Some people cannot sleep at night withour looking in other's people shit.
- nickthegreek 4y agoWhen someone else’s shit starts stinking up the area where I am, it makes it hard to sleep.
- davidguetta 4y agoWho cares ffs