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Compared to where? I have no dog in this fight. I'm not British. I don't live in Britain. I am certain that racism exists in Britain. But I don't think I've b

by colinb 4y ago

Compared to where? I have no dog in this fight. I'm not British. I don't live in Britain. I am certain that racism exists in Britain. But I don't think I've been anywhere that racism doesn't exist. More to the point, I don't think I've been anywhere with less racism than Britain. I've been to every continent but South America and Antartica. Perhaps Brazil is the utopian ideal you're using as a baseline? I saw racism in India, in China, in Canada and the US, and in my native Ireland. There isn't much racism in Ireland, but then again, there aren't that many visible minorities, and until recently we've been blaming all our ills on Britain... Oh, bother. Well, apart from the Troubles, Cromwell, the Famine, what has Britain ever done to us? Pythonic (half-)witticisms aside, I don't think your statement is useful. There are racists in Britain, but my own anecdata is that it's mostly a place with relatively good integration, certainly better than what I saw in the US. Finally, take a look at the current cabinet. They may be a shower of haters, second-raters, I'll-pay-for-it-laters and the like (Braverman is my current least favorite, but only because Priti Patel on a break getting her venom glands upgraded, but they certainly cover a fair gamut of skin colors. (Though no one of East Asian decent so far as I know)

password54321 4y ago
> they certainly cover a fair gamut of skin colors If races to you are a "gamut of skin colors" I have not much to say here.
- benj111 4y ago
  >I have not much to say here. No, and yet you wrote this, which just begs the question what you think the issue is. Your issue seems to be one of equating race with skin colour? Except you seem to be the one doing that. And in context I'm not sure what the issue is. I don't personally know the heritage of the current cabinet, but I can see their skin colour on TV. Therefore I can't comment on the racial diversity. I could comment on the colour diversity, unless you feel everyone should equate the 2, but then why raise the issue to start with?
stevezsa8 4y ago
There's been a lot of studies done on racism in the UK. Basically a victim is less likely to be punched in the face as compared to the past, but racism shows up in school grading, job finding success, hospital treatment, justice system etc... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/01/more-than-120000-workers-quit-jobs-because-of-racism-uk-study-suggests https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/01/more-than-1200... https://www.theguardian.com/money/2022/dec/15/job-discrimination-faced-by-ethnic-minorities-convinces-public-about-racism https://www.theguardian.com/money/2022/dec/15/job-discrimina... https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/aug/28/facing-the-uncomfortable-possibility-that-healthcare-is-discriminatory https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/aug/28/facing-the-u... https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jun/12/racism-northern-ireland-couple-tell-abuse-belfast https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jun/12/racism-north...
- benj111 4y ago
  >One black Caribbean lecturer in the south-west of England told researchers: “I drive a nice car and one member of staff asked me if I was a drug dealer, because how else could I afford [it]?” Well this is the first example I got to and it doesn't seem racist to me. Or am I racist for taking the Mick out of my friends white BMW???
  - stevezsa8 4y ago
    I have a friend who is brown, he told me this happened at his work... Another colleague had made a joke where the punchline was something about my brown friend being detained by cops. So my friend was saying how it was driving him insane how often jokes would centre on scenarios of him being chased by cops or being a thief or whatever. The colleague pulls the "jokes are jokes, there's no hidden meanings or racism at play" Two or three other developers could overhear the conversation. 30mins later the IT guy came in and asked my friend if he'd stolen any GPUs from the office for bitcoin mining. I feel the key here is... if a person says they're being victimised by something, whether it be racism or something else. We should strive to reduce this kind of hassling. Imagine if our significant-other was constantly humiliated by work colleagues for being short or fat or some such... I'm sure most people would be upset.

by colinb 4y ago

password54321 4y ago

> they certainly cover a fair gamut of skin colors If races to you are a "gamut of skin colors" I have not much to say here.

benj111 4y ago
>I have not much to say here. No, and yet you wrote this, which just begs the question what you think the issue is. Your issue seems to be one of equating race with skin colour? Except you seem to be the one doing that. And in context I'm not sure what the issue is. I don't personally know the heritage of the current cabinet, but I can see their skin colour on TV. Therefore I can't comment on the racial diversity. I could comment on the colour diversity, unless you feel everyone should equate the 2, but then why raise the issue to start with?

stevezsa8 4y ago

There's been a lot of studies done on racism in the UK. Basically a victim is less likely to be punched in the face as compared to the past, but racism shows up in school grading, job finding success, hospital treatment, justice system etc... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/01/more-than-120000-workers-quit-jobs-because-of-racism-uk-study-suggests https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/01/more-than-1200... https://www.theguardian.com/money/2022/dec/15/job-discrimination-faced-by-ethnic-minorities-convinces-public-about-racism https://www.theguardian.com/money/2022/dec/15/job-discrimina... https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/aug/28/facing-the-uncomfortable-possibility-that-healthcare-is-discriminatory https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/aug/28/facing-the-u... https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jun/12/racism-northern-ireland-couple-tell-abuse-belfast https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jun/12/racism-north...

benj111 4y ago
>One black Caribbean lecturer in the south-west of England told researchers: “I drive a nice car and one member of staff asked me if I was a drug dealer, because how else could I afford [it]?” Well this is the first example I got to and it doesn't seem racist to me. Or am I racist for taking the Mick out of my friends white BMW???
- stevezsa8 4y ago
  I have a friend who is brown, he told me this happened at his work... Another colleague had made a joke where the punchline was something about my brown friend being detained by cops. So my friend was saying how it was driving him insane how often jokes would centre on scenarios of him being chased by cops or being a thief or whatever. The colleague pulls the "jokes are jokes, there's no hidden meanings or racism at play" Two or three other developers could overhear the conversation. 30mins later the IT guy came in and asked my friend if he'd stolen any GPUs from the office for bitcoin mining. I feel the key here is... if a person says they're being victimised by something, whether it be racism or something else. We should strive to reduce this kind of hassling. Imagine if our significant-other was constantly humiliated by work colleagues for being short or fat or some such... I'm sure most people would be upset.