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Ford again hikes the starting price of the F150 Lighting now up 40% since launch
- joenathanone 4y agoI was considering purchasing a Lighting if even as just a battery for my home, it was a really great value compared to buying a powerwall, plus you get a pickup truck!
- drak0n1c 4y agoCan't wait until a company makes a 7-8 seat minivan with the Lightning's two-way battery function. The ultimate consumer utility for moving people, cargo, and electrons.
- Avshalom 4y agoThere's an E-Transit coming out, not a 'mini'van of course but presumably there'll be a e-transit connect sooner than later.
- buttersbrian 4y agoI'm intrigued by the CANOO whenever they start making a consumer vehicle.
- bombcar 4y agoClosest so far is the plug-in Pacifica hybrid, which is really annoying - I'd love an all-electric minivan, or even a plug-in Sienna.
- faeriechangling 4y agoI’m amazed they don’t have a commercial of the F-150 powering a home.
- Moose_the_Goose 4y agoThe closest I've seen is a youtube commercial of them being used to power a movie set in a remote location.
- arprocter 4y agoThere was this one (skip to 36 seconds): https://www.ispot.tv/ad/OKad/ford-f-150-lightning-the-only-ev-thats-an-f-150-t1 https://www.ispot.tv/ad/OKad/ford-f-150-lightning-the-only-e...
- faeriechangling 4y agoAmazing, how can you not want a truck, imagine rolling up to your significant other's house and saving them from a power outage with your awesome truck. It's like being a light-bringer.
- PopAlongKid 4y ago> it was a really great value compared to buying a powerwall, Is there an explanation for this? (I can't think of one). Why would embedding a battery in a vehicle be a better "value" than a battery permanently installed? And don't you need to install some protective devices (for the grid) into your electric panel if using a F150 battery to power your home wiring? Is that cost included in the calculation?
- dannyw 4y agoRegulatory credits are a huge subsidy for EV cars.
- bombcar 4y agoI think they're saying that the cost of a power wall and the F150 were basically the same, and would do the same for what they needed a power wall for and the F150 also happened to be a truck. It's like the situations where the cost of adding a shed to your property is so high (permits, etc) that it's cheaper to buy a box truck and park it in your driveway forever. It's a shed, that has wheels and can move!
- 1024core 4y ago> I think they're saying that the cost of a power wall and the F150 were basically the same, A pair of Power Walls costs about $25K. Surely a Lightning is more than that?
- cmrdporcupine 4y agoA powerwall is only 13.5 kW-h. Less capacity than my Chevy Volt. A F150 is minimum 98kW-h.
- toomuchtodo 4y agoPowerwall gets a 30% federal tax credit (plus possible local, state, or utility rebates). Also in certain circumstances receives revenue share per kwh provided when called upon for grid support in Virtual Power Plant (VPP) arrangements. Vehicles receive a lesser EV subsidy ($7500 or roughly 15% assuming $50k purchase price).
- antisthenes 4y agoPowerwall and Tesla's solar offerings have always been terrible value, so it's not exactly like it's a high bar to clear.
- Beaver117 4y agoThey got the 'cheap electric truck' marketing they needed, it was never available to buy for $40k anyway.
- bombcar 4y agoTesla has been doing this for years; didn't the "cheap" model of one the cars never come out at all? As it is, I'd rather Ford get the money from demand outstripping supply than dealers or resellers.
- Beaver117 4y agoYeah I was also excited to get a $35k Model 3, didn't really work out either. Is it that hard to make a cheap EV? Like 20k or less? China seems like they've made a few models but nothing in the US.
- bombcar 4y agoIt's not hard, it's just that they're supply constrained. And if you're supply constrained, you only make the expensive ones. And if you start making some, you make expensive ones because why not get that profit whilst you can?
- olivermarks 4y agoFirst gen dog. Wait a couple of years for the debugged version Factory build tour video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8Jlod53BCU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8Jlod53BCU
- hcurtiss 4y agoThat video was pretty neat. I did not take away from it "first gen dog."
- olivermarks 4y agohttps://www.autotrader.com/car-shopping/should-i-avoid-the-first-model-year https://www.autotrader.com/car-shopping/should-i-avoid-the-f... Major shift in drivetrain and electronics, early reports indicate abysmal battery performance when towing. A lot to get sorted out in the coming months. Towing with my Ford Lightning EV Pickup was a TOTAL DISASTER! https://youtu.be/3nS0Fdayj8Y https://youtu.be/3nS0Fdayj8Y etc
- akomtu 4y agoSo it's 1/2 of the advertised range if you tow a 1500 lbs trailer and 1/3 of the range if you tow 4000 lbs. An expensive toy, basically. Btw, beware that if batteries in this EV catch fire, it will be impossible to extinguish, so keeping it in your garage will likely void home insurance.
- dr_petes 4y agoThey’ve been building F150s for years
- browningstreet 4y agoI placed orders for a Tesla Y and a Lightning at the same time. My Model Y came up in about 6 months and I paid $52K for it. Same order goes for about $68K now (unless it's dropped in the last two weeks, I saw stories but didn't dig in). The Lightning I wanted was about $65K but the cheapest model that was available to order when my reservation came up started around $85K. I cancelled and got my reservation $ back. Not even thinking about it anymore.
- actionfromafar 4y agoAren't these very different vehicles?
- bombcar 4y agoThey are, but the pricing was similar so they're comparable.
- browningstreet 4y agoYes, this.. plus, I wasn't sure which would come up first. I really liked the idea of the F150 Lightning, and I liked the idea of a not-Tesla quality cabin, but I wasn't sure if I could do the size of the F150, and I also figured if the F150 took two years to deliver, I could live with a Tesla for 2 years, sell it, get the Lightning, etc. I also wasn't sure if I was going to be living in SF, east east bay, or Tahoe. But even with that, I'm not paying $85K+ for a forced-upgrade F150 when I really wanted the $70K version that they said they would sell. I had even called my local Ford dealership and they affirmed they would be selling the Lightnings at sticker, no dealer add-ons/surcharges.
- Jensson 4y agoProbably why he ordered both.
- subsubzero 4y agoWell its still alot cheaper (at its current pricing) than the soon to be released GMC Sierra EV with a insane price tag of $107k. I think Ford will own the electric truck space as others - Rivian, GMC etc are all way overpriced and with Rivian you have severe reliability issues and availability is next to impossible.
- devinthenull 4y agowhat have the Rivian reliability issues been?
- subsubzero 4y agoAxle issues for one - see this forum post: https://www.reddit.com/r/Rivian/comments/wlleff/rivian_r1t_cv_axle_failure/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Rivian/comments/wlleff/rivian_r1t_c...
- WaxProlix 4y agoI bought a Rivian and it's been more than fine. Heck, I really like it. Nobody on the forums I've seen have had reliability issues, either, and people are pretty critical & non-fanboyish there. Everything from panel gaps to tire options to material choices is generally taken to task, and I've seen nothing about reliability. It is a long wait while they ramp up production, though, so I'll grant you that point. But that's true of everyone at the moment - even Ford - and a similarly-spec'd F150L and R1T are currently similarly priced.
- subsubzero 4y agoI am on the waitlist for one, I joined before I heard about the recall[1] and hope by the time I get mine things will have settled down. Glad to hear your experience is good. [1] - https://techcrunch.com/2022/10/07/rivian-voluntarily-recalls-13000-evs-for-a-potential-loose-fastener/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/10/07/rivian-voluntarily-recalls...
- nonethewiser 4y agoIt's a novelty. This is the wrong tool for anyone who actually needs a truck.
- mc32 4y agoI mean, sure, you don't wanna pull a boat, if you're not close to shore. But probably works for construction sites where you might be towing, but not for long distances. Possibly, for smaller site it may mean not having to being your Ingersoll-Rand.
- yourapostasy 4y agoThat's an awful lot of money for such a niche tool. I can see it happening regularly and the numbers penciling out if a company regularly worked on say, large commercial projects on large lots. Similar to how the very large trucking companies getting a yard truck for their big trailer yards, for example. Personally, I'd have to be convinced that these amounts of capex could be amortized over a commensurately longer time period to balance out more traditional solutions.
- bombcar 4y agoE150 - $56k Gas - $3.29 gallon F150 city fuel economy - 20 mpg. So if you drive your F150 320k miles in-town, the gas pays for the E150. This ignores electricity costs, but that makes it worse. So it's not quite worth it yet to buy an E150 to supplement an F150.
- zuminator 4y agoThere's a typo in the title of the CNBC article, Lighting should be Lightning. Maybe there should be a [sic] in the HN topic title?
- patwolf 4y agoThat original $39,974 price point was always BS and probably just easy marketing to get "Electric truck for under 40k" in the headlines. They announced it over a year in advance during a time of high inflation when you couldn't even buy a new ICE pickup truck for 40 grand.
- bryanlarsen 4y agoThat original $40K price was because Cybertruck was announced at a $40K price. If Cybertruck actually gets released at $40K Ford will lower prices again, although perhaps not all the way down to 40K. And I'll eat my hat because there's no way Cybertruck will start at $40K.
- 1024core 4y agoThey should just do an auction. Every week, auction off the trucks in a Dutch auction.
- bombcar 4y agoI'd love to see this for many supply-constrained items, not just E150s. People complain loudly about "price gouging" when it's done, but I don't really care. If people are going to resell at a profit why not let the company reap that directly? And attempts to prevent reselling have usually floundered or failed.
- wongarsu 4y agoI understand why society looks down on price gouging essential items like bread or toilet paper. But for things like GPUs and trucks it is really weird how we refuse to use the normal price discovery mechanisms
- symfoniq 4y agoI was seriously considering trading my ICE F-150 on a Lightning (even had my house electrical service upgraded), but at this point I can’t justify the price. The Lightning has quickly gone from the everyman’s electric truck to something unobtainable for most.
- brianwawok 4y agoIs that true? The top two F150 trims are like 65k and 77k. I see tons of those driving around. Not to mention F250s and other big trucks.
- symfoniq 4y agoTons of top trims? Sure, but only because it’s the best-selling truck. Nevertheless, the vast majority of F-150s (like mine) are XLT trim or lower. Moreover, you might be surprised at how small the price premium is on F-250/350 over the F-150 in work truck trims.
- whalesalad 4y agomeanwhile they can't tow worth a damn due to their range issues, and when the temperature drops the same problem exists. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8gH52gKejE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8gH52gKejE
- bombcar 4y agoIf you're buying an eF150 (E150?) to do more than just very intermittent towing you're making some sort of category mistake.
- LinuxBender 4y agoAccording to that video, 37F is cold? Now I am curious what that truck and the soon to be EV UPS trucks will be doing in my neck of the woods. It was 5F this morning and is now 18.1F at 11:47 AM Mountain Time. It can get down to -25F on some days but that is the extreme. Usually it does not get below -10F during the winter. [Edit] Corrected temp. Sun as hitting the board the sensor is mounted on.
- svnt 4y agoIn this post is where we learn that trucks have evolved to occupy multiple niches over a period of about 100 years and making an electric version of the derived beast is going to break some niches and enable new ones. A lot of people not realizing behavioral patterns of vehicle usage are a learned thing, and can shift dramatically. An example of this is “I need to refill in 10 minutes” when you can refill overnight anywhere that has electrical service. Outliers aside, most people will never need to refill away from home unless they take a road trip. In places where job function has molded around derived truck function, people will stay with ICE, but there will be opportunities to innovate in related areas where we haven’t seen any in fifty years.
- rurp 4y agoWhile being a commuter vehicle is probably the most common use of a truck, there are plenty of other use-cases where refueling time matters that I wouldn't exactly call niche. For example, travelling out of town for outdoor activities. Another is using a truck as a work vehicle, where it makes numerous trips during the day, carrying heavy loads on a tight schedule.
- svnt 4y agoYou can sub use cases for niches if you like, I meant it in an ecological sense.