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I heard Jeffrey Epstein had some weird conspiracy theories as well. It would have been fun to make fun of him for those—such a bummer he suffered from depressio

by breck 4y ago

I heard Jeffrey Epstein had some weird conspiracy theories as well. It would have been fun to make fun of him for those—such a bummer he suffered from depression and killed himself. Double bummer that the security cameras monitoring his cell went out just as he killed himself. Such bad luck.

hulitu 4y ago
He had psychic powers. Or he upsetted the wrong guys :)
orwin 4y ago
But in this very case, there is two theories: on that someone killed him, the other that he was given the means to kill himself. If the first case is true, i can't imagine this had gone quietly, and that the legists didn't see a thing. So i'd say at least 8 people were necessary, but closer to 20 if you count the administrative demand (putting the right guardians and the right legists at the right timing etc) The second case is much more probable imho, and only demanded the intervention of one, maybe two people. It's easier for them to keep quiet if only one was involved, and if two were, they only have to trust each other, so the information will probably never get out. And in the second case, anyone rich and powerfull could have done it. Gislene, Prince Andrew... Or current powerfull politicians and businessmen. The issue with what's called "conspiracy theories" is that they involve a lot of different people being on the payroll. And because of the way trust works, i don't see how a conspiracy of more than 6 people directly involved work (just look at history, the "French connection" but also the testimonies of captured bank busters and criminal groups). In the same way, i don't think you can think "CIA" when looking at the murder of JFK. If you say "one or two high-ranked CIA officers and one of their mafia informant + Oswall", i still wouldn't really care, but i wouldn't think this is a conspiracy theory. Am i making sense?
- breck 4y ago
  > Am i making sense? Absolutely. And I agree with your assessment that you can't just say "CIA". I usually think things like this are 1 - 10 bad apples. HOWEVER, I think you do get loads of cowardly leaders who later learn the truth and turn a blind eye (perhaps they think it's the lesser of two evils to just let past lies be and focus on their positive agendas). See the Catholic Church for an example. Eventually those lies fester and turn into infections and you have to deal with them. A lot of leaders just hope to get out so they aren't the ones that have to clean up the messes of their predecessors. Or in other words, 1% bad apples, 88% Switzerlands, and 1% Churchill's. (The 10% is reserved for my uncertainties)
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by breck 4y ago

hulitu 4y ago

He had psychic powers. Or he upsetted the wrong guys :)

orwin 4y ago

But in this very case, there is two theories: on that someone killed him, the other that he was given the means to kill himself. If the first case is true, i can't imagine this had gone quietly, and that the legists didn't see a thing. So i'd say at least 8 people were necessary, but closer to 20 if you count the administrative demand (putting the right guardians and the right legists at the right timing etc) The second case is much more probable imho, and only demanded the intervention of one, maybe two people. It's easier for them to keep quiet if only one was involved, and if two were, they only have to trust each other, so the information will probably never get out. And in the second case, anyone rich and powerfull could have done it. Gislene, Prince Andrew... Or current powerfull politicians and businessmen. The issue with what's called "conspiracy theories" is that they involve a lot of different people being on the payroll. And because of the way trust works, i don't see how a conspiracy of more than 6 people directly involved work (just look at history, the "French connection" but also the testimonies of captured bank busters and criminal groups). In the same way, i don't think you can think "CIA" when looking at the murder of JFK. If you say "one or two high-ranked CIA officers and one of their mafia informant + Oswall", i still wouldn't really care, but i wouldn't think this is a conspiracy theory. Am i making sense?

breck 4y ago
> Am i making sense? Absolutely. And I agree with your assessment that you can't just say "CIA". I usually think things like this are 1 - 10 bad apples. HOWEVER, I think you do get loads of cowardly leaders who later learn the truth and turn a blind eye (perhaps they think it's the lesser of two evils to just let past lies be and focus on their positive agendas). See the Catholic Church for an example. Eventually those lies fester and turn into infections and you have to deal with them. A lot of leaders just hope to get out so they aren't the ones that have to clean up the messes of their predecessors. Or in other words, 1% bad apples, 88% Switzerlands, and 1% Churchill's. (The 10% is reserved for my uncertainties)
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