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'New Elon / New Kanye' I think is disillusioning for a lot of people. It's one thing to see a random celebrity or business person lose their marbles, but there

by jasmer 4y ago

'New Elon / New Kanye' I think is disillusioning for a lot of people. It's one thing to see a random celebrity or business person lose their marbles, but there was (and continues to be) high hopes for Elon at least with Tesla and Space X. I absolutely understand someone trying to shake things up for PR, but I can't see how he's winning here.

pantalaimon 4y ago
I’m beginning to question whether starship will ever make it to orbit
- holler 4y ago
  Really hope it does, it's a marvel of engineering.
- NovaVeles 4y ago
  It will make it to Orbit. Despite all of Elons ways, there are good dedicated people working to make it happen. Making it to the Moon, I am doubtful. Making it to Mars... well lets get to he moon first.
- dzader 4y ago
  starship has nothing to do with Elon. I know some SpaceX employees. They let Elon run around like the child he his pretending to be an engineer while they do the real work (and take his money)
  - AlexandrB 4y ago
    I've heard that SpaceX pays below the industry average though. Seems like a bad deal, get paid less and have to "manage" your founder.
    - iends 4y ago
      Some people love space more than money.
    - hra5th 4y ago
      SpaceX pays significantly higher than NASA if you believe levels.fyi, so I think it depends what industry average you are using. If you compare to general software engineering then it certainly pays less, but that is because there are many talented engineers happy to take a pay cut to work on something they find personally motivating (space exploration).
- comrh 4y ago
  They will because of Gwynne Shotwell and probably in spite of Musk
  - tawaycrypto 4y ago
    Yea. Gwynne Shotwell is a great rocket scientist. isnt she?
- jasmer 4y ago
  Exactly this. We know he's competent on some level, and a BS-er on some level given his bombastic announcements. But bombast about literally going to Mars are different than bombast about QAnon in terms of credibility and inspiration. Trump warned Europeans about Russian encroachment but he's cried wolf so many times he has no credibility. Elon was nothing without the koolaid - I think he's a bit of an imposter - he's 'Iron Man' because they said that in a movie, and, SpaceX was able to stick the landing which gives him insane cred. He could make a million gallons of free koolaid for his staffers. Smoking dope on YouTube is fully on brand. Even calling out people on 'free speech' - fair enough. But he's crossing a lot of lines and it's going to affect his ability to put people on Mars. I have never had any aspiration to work for him, because I think he's glib - but - I would probably enjoy a tour at either organization, because hey that'd be fun. But now - I wouldn't really want to spend time there. The Hero->Super Villain story is starting to become a meme. Nearly all the dudes in the Valley I used to look up to are starting to act like like are a 2-pack-a-day smoker, 3 days after going 'cold turkey': thin skinned, short sighted, angry, arrogant, crude, conspiratorial, cynical, greedy, needlessly cold. Some of the things they say make me believe they stopped reading books (other than business books) or travelling at age 19 to focus 100% on 'the game', and it's cost them deeply in terms of personal development and perspective. They are not making the leap to 'Wise Sage Leaders' very well. I wonder if regular corporate personal development is a better preparation for leading large, mature organizations. I don't agree with Tim Cook on a lot of things but he definitely seems a league ahead in terms of social maturity than some of the Alpha Dogs of the Valley. Ditto for so many others.
wankle 4y ago
Perhaps he's trying to set straight what Twitter had become, a crazy progressive activist dark haven.
- kuschku 4y ago
  Progressive haven? A law was needed that made sure to personally hold twitter management liable just to make sure that twitter would actually suspend open Nazis (the kind that actually posts swastikas). [See: Netzwerkdurchsetzungsgesetz] How is that a progressive haven, wtf?
  - tstrimple 4y ago
    For some reason people who say things like this are completely unable to understand the data which supports that conservatives are amplified on social networks far more than liberals are. Conspiracy theorists aren't swayed by little things like data. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/feb/01/facebook-youtube-twitter-anti-conservative-claims-baseless-report-finds https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/feb/01/facebook-youtu... > “There is no evidence to support the claim that the major social media companies are suppressing, censoring or otherwise discriminating against conservatives on their platforms,” Barrett said. “In fact, it is often conservatives who gain the most in terms of engagement and online attention, thanks to the platforms’ systems of algorithmic promotion of content.”
    - kadabra9 4y ago
      - tstrimple 4y ago
        Found one of the conspiracy theorists.
        kadabra9 4y ago
        Ah yes, the old "anyone who disagrees with me is a conspiracy theorist / racist / fascist" trope. Do better.
smrtinsert 4y ago
Never liked either of them. 2/2!
bigmattystyles 4y ago
There's high hope for Tesla and SpaceX if he gets out of the way.
sleepybrett 4y ago
I mean I don't see any difference between kanye 10 years ago and kanye now really. Ego and narcissism are a hell of a thing., and they don't get better when your wife kicks you to the curb .. probably for being the man that we all see today, but quieter in private.

by jasmer 4y ago

pantalaimon 4y ago

I’m beginning to question whether starship will ever make it to orbit

holler 4y ago
Really hope it does, it's a marvel of engineering.
NovaVeles 4y ago
It will make it to Orbit. Despite all of Elons ways, there are good dedicated people working to make it happen. Making it to the Moon, I am doubtful. Making it to Mars... well lets get to he moon first.
dzader 4y ago
starship has nothing to do with Elon. I know some SpaceX employees. They let Elon run around like the child he his pretending to be an engineer while they do the real work (and take his money)
- AlexandrB 4y ago
  I've heard that SpaceX pays below the industry average though. Seems like a bad deal, get paid less and have to "manage" your founder.
  - iends 4y ago
    Some people love space more than money.
  - hra5th 4y ago
    SpaceX pays significantly higher than NASA if you believe levels.fyi, so I think it depends what industry average you are using. If you compare to general software engineering then it certainly pays less, but that is because there are many talented engineers happy to take a pay cut to work on something they find personally motivating (space exploration).
comrh 4y ago
They will because of Gwynne Shotwell and probably in spite of Musk
- tawaycrypto 4y ago
  Yea. Gwynne Shotwell is a great rocket scientist. isnt she?
jasmer 4y ago
Exactly this. We know he's competent on some level, and a BS-er on some level given his bombastic announcements. But bombast about literally going to Mars are different than bombast about QAnon in terms of credibility and inspiration. Trump warned Europeans about Russian encroachment but he's cried wolf so many times he has no credibility. Elon was nothing without the koolaid - I think he's a bit of an imposter - he's 'Iron Man' because they said that in a movie, and, SpaceX was able to stick the landing which gives him insane cred. He could make a million gallons of free koolaid for his staffers. Smoking dope on YouTube is fully on brand. Even calling out people on 'free speech' - fair enough. But he's crossing a lot of lines and it's going to affect his ability to put people on Mars. I have never had any aspiration to work for him, because I think he's glib - but - I would probably enjoy a tour at either organization, because hey that'd be fun. But now - I wouldn't really want to spend time there. The Hero->Super Villain story is starting to become a meme. Nearly all the dudes in the Valley I used to look up to are starting to act like like are a 2-pack-a-day smoker, 3 days after going 'cold turkey': thin skinned, short sighted, angry, arrogant, crude, conspiratorial, cynical, greedy, needlessly cold. Some of the things they say make me believe they stopped reading books (other than business books) or travelling at age 19 to focus 100% on 'the game', and it's cost them deeply in terms of personal development and perspective. They are not making the leap to 'Wise Sage Leaders' very well. I wonder if regular corporate personal development is a better preparation for leading large, mature organizations. I don't agree with Tim Cook on a lot of things but he definitely seems a league ahead in terms of social maturity than some of the Alpha Dogs of the Valley. Ditto for so many others.

wankle 4y ago

Perhaps he's trying to set straight what Twitter had become, a crazy progressive activist dark haven.

kuschku 4y ago
Progressive haven? A law was needed that made sure to personally hold twitter management liable just to make sure that twitter would actually suspend open Nazis (the kind that actually posts swastikas). [See: Netzwerkdurchsetzungsgesetz] How is that a progressive haven, wtf?
- tstrimple 4y ago
  For some reason people who say things like this are completely unable to understand the data which supports that conservatives are amplified on social networks far more than liberals are. Conspiracy theorists aren't swayed by little things like data. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/feb/01/facebook-youtube-twitter-anti-conservative-claims-baseless-report-finds https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/feb/01/facebook-youtu... > “There is no evidence to support the claim that the major social media companies are suppressing, censoring or otherwise discriminating against conservatives on their platforms,” Barrett said. “In fact, it is often conservatives who gain the most in terms of engagement and online attention, thanks to the platforms’ systems of algorithmic promotion of content.”
  - kadabra9 4y ago
    - tstrimple 4y ago
      Found one of the conspiracy theorists.
      - kadabra9 4y ago
        Ah yes, the old "anyone who disagrees with me is a conspiracy theorist / racist / fascist" trope. Do better.

smrtinsert 4y ago

Never liked either of them. 2/2!

bigmattystyles 4y ago

There's high hope for Tesla and SpaceX if he gets out of the way.

sleepybrett 4y ago

I mean I don't see any difference between kanye 10 years ago and kanye now really. Ego and narcissism are a hell of a thing., and they don't get better when your wife kicks you to the curb .. probably for being the man that we all see today, but quieter in private.