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> There is no one single entity with enough power to clearly oppose it so people making the models can get away with "questionable copyright", "legal gray area"

by sfifs 4y ago

> There is no one single entity with enough power to clearly oppose it so people making the models can get away with "questionable copyright", "legal gray area", etc. kind of talk. Never underestimate the power of a sufficiently motivated rich individual to create legal hell (see Gawker). There are many very rich artists. There just needs to be an obvious large enough irritant which will happen as these generative models start getting used beyond toy amusements. The class action lawsuit against Copilot was filed just as pricing models started. This is going to be an interesting area to watch. Use in commercial projects at your own risk of exposure to liability.

worldsayshi 4y ago
The wrong and easy reaction to this is to limit these services to not include copyrighted content. The more right and really really difficult solution would be to give the original copyright holders partial rights to the output. It really feels like the textile factory worker problem all over again. We can't let the big players be the benefactors every time.
- astrange 4y ago
  > The more right and really really difficult solution would be to give the original copyright holders partial rights to the output. That is impossible (assigning credit to training images from the output is arbitrary, not deterministic) and wouldn't help anyone (imagine Spotify except it pays you even less). > It really feels like the textile factory worker problem all over again. We can't let the big players be the benefactors every time. Industrialization is better for society because it produces more customer surplus. Even Marx thought the Luddites were wrong.
  - worldsayshi 4y ago
    >Industrialization is better for society because it produces more customer surplus. Also my point. >Even Marx thought the Luddites were wrong. Sure they are wrong in that they confuse what the problem is. If workers owned the factory they would be happy to automate the work. But their feeling of being left out has some validity because if they weren't the total value would improve. The real issue is that the revenue brought back through automation doesn't benefit the worker. If it did, the automation would happen sooner because incentives would align better and the total value for society would thus likely improve faster.

by sfifs 4y ago

worldsayshi 4y ago

The wrong and easy reaction to this is to limit these services to not include copyrighted content. The more right and really really difficult solution would be to give the original copyright holders partial rights to the output. It really feels like the textile factory worker problem all over again. We can't let the big players be the benefactors every time.

astrange 4y ago
> The more right and really really difficult solution would be to give the original copyright holders partial rights to the output. That is impossible (assigning credit to training images from the output is arbitrary, not deterministic) and wouldn't help anyone (imagine Spotify except it pays you even less). > It really feels like the textile factory worker problem all over again. We can't let the big players be the benefactors every time. Industrialization is better for society because it produces more customer surplus. Even Marx thought the Luddites were wrong.
- worldsayshi 4y ago
  >Industrialization is better for society because it produces more customer surplus. Also my point. >Even Marx thought the Luddites were wrong. Sure they are wrong in that they confuse what the problem is. If workers owned the factory they would be happy to automate the work. But their feeling of being left out has some validity because if they weren't the total value would improve. The real issue is that the revenue brought back through automation doesn't benefit the worker. If it did, the automation would happen sooner because incentives would align better and the total value for society would thus likely improve faster.