16 ms·

A masked stalker, dressed all in black, was following his young child in car thinking it was him. He then blocked the car and jumped on the hood: https://twitte

A masked stalker, dressed all in black, was following his young child in car thinking it was him. He then blocked the car and jumped on the hood: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944 Imagine it were your child. Can you honestly say you wouldn’t change any opinions or practices when it came to personal security?

TrickyRick 4y ago
I heard some people walked in to a big building in DC after Trump tweeted which later got him banned. Imagine if it was your building! Or does free speech only apply to things Elon likes?
abc_lisper 4y ago
Hunter was Joe’s child. If Twitter not publishing Hunter’s pics is a conspiracy, I don’t understand why this isn’t
- shapefrog 4y ago
  Hunters penis however is something that is apparently of great public interest.
- Ygg2 4y ago
  Hunter was using clout of then vice-president Biden to do some shady deals. It was relevant to an election Biden was about to become the President. The hookers and meth was there to entertain the more base urges of audience.
  - abc_lisper 4y ago
    Could be, but there is no proof of deals in Elon’s Twitter files. Just Hunter’s naked pics
    - Ygg2 4y ago
      Did you actually read the files? They don't have any naked Hunter Biden pics (thank God). It's mostly about Twitter fabrication of Hunter Biden was hacked (discovered during laptop dissembly) and the connections between federal government and Twitter's staff.
      - abc_lisper 4y ago
        I did. Did you? There were links to pictures of Hunter in Elons posts.
        Ygg2 4y ago
        Elon? I read Matt Taibi's report. I'm grateful I was spared from H. Biden wang.
        abc_lisper 4y ago
        I meant Elon commissioned posts that Matt Taibi posted. Links to Hunter’s pics were among them. If you are curious it was Tweet 8. Biden wasn’t part of federal government then FYI. https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598822959866683394 https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598822959866683394
        Ygg2 4y ago
        >Links to Hunter’s pics Links? You mean a picture of an https addresses that leads to a deleted tweet. > Biden wasn’t part of federal government then FYI. Sure but he had connections, and way to pull those images. See twit #8.
        abc_lisper 4y ago
        > Links? You mean a picture of an https addresses that leads to a deleted tweet. Yeah, obviously those pictures and associated tweets are deleted. That is why we are here. However, those are archived in WaybackMachine(archive.org). Copy/paste those links there.
hkt 4y ago
Maybe don't shuttle your kids around on a private jet..?
witchammer 4y ago
So you think he has good reasons for going back on what he claimed was his free speech position. Fair enough. It doesn't mean he hasn't gone back on what he said though, and it definitely fits with previous observations that he doesn't actually care at all about free speech and just does whatever he feels like that day.
- thinkmcfly 4y ago
  Free speech absolutist not so tough when he and his are scared
  - cmsj 4y ago
    Cut a free speech absolutist and a censorious fascist bleeds.
    - mcv 4y ago
      Nobody is a true free speech absolutist; and Musk least of all[0]. There are always limits to speech. Things like libel, threats, blackmail, etc are also speech, and yet banned or restricted in some way. Social media are doing a lot of work exploring the edge cases of these, and it's possible laws need to be updated to account for the results. [0] Years ago Musk cancelled a Tesla order from a critic. On Twitter, it didn't take him long to ban a lot of satirical accounts.
      - cmsj 4y ago
        I agree with you, but I believe it is the case that Elon has previously described himself as a free speech absolutist, so this whole episode is exhibit 487 in the case for Elon having no idea what he's talking about.
        mcv 4y ago
        He did, and it's both impossible and blatantly untrue. I just thought I should make that explicit. It wasn't meant as disagreement.
mrpopo 4y ago
It's interesting because Elon agrees with free speech restrictions only when he or his own children are affected, but not others. Case in point, this one + alex jones' controversy ('My firstborn child died in my arms'). Meanwhile, he fired the entire child abuse monitoring section.
maeln 4y ago
I get it but what is the relation with his private plane ?
flir 4y ago
"Free speech is peachy, until it hurts me. Then we need to come down on it like a ton of weight." And remember, my pronouns are Prosecute/Fauci.
logn 4y ago
And also at this point it's allegedly inciting violence, so his position might even be consistent given changing circumstances. Whether it actually is incitement is still debatable but a person of principle can still change their position without it being a flip flop. If Musk is taking legal action at least there is corresponding litigation for the account suspension for some sort of due process and objectivity.
jacquesm 4y ago
I fail to see the connection between this video, which was posted well after the account was blocked, given that the account had not tweeted out Musk's location after Dec 12th. The 'won't somebody think of the children' argument doesn't play nice with 'free speech as long as it is legal'. If Musk is so concerned about his children's privacy and safety then maybe he should stop tweeting out their whereabouts in real time himself?
- AlchemistCamp 4y ago
  It actually is relevant in this instance. The “speech” you speak of is automated broadcasting the movements of wealthy people in real-time. The primary group of people who have use for that information is kidnappers. There’s zero connection between this “speech” and political freedoms. Similarly, there’s a huge difference between you sharing you or your family’s location on social media occasionally on your own terms vs strangers tracking and sharing it regularly.
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    This always was the case and there are zero recorded instances of such so no need to trot out this argument. Musk himself has Tweeted out the location of his child in real time.
  - _djo_ 4y ago
    No, it's broadcasting the movements of a set of aircraft, using publicly available data. There is no information about who is on board those aircraft. Nobody has any right to privacy regarding the flight movements of their aircraft, and indeed any idea in that light is antithetical to the entire principal of air traffic control and safe air travel. The idea that people would not be able to track his aircraft if this account is gone is ludicrous, as there are both other flight tracking websites, the ability in some areas to get full flight plans, and even if you're a stalker the ability to just listen into ATC radio near the routes his aircraft use. You even have spotters who spend all their days at airports logging all aircraft and posting the results online, as they've done for decades, so there's no way for aircraft movements to remain secret for long. By buying private jets and choosing to use them exclusively, Musk himself gave up his right to any privacy when flying on them. He has other options, such as flying commercially or chartering aircraft, as others in his position have done, but has chosen not to use them. He's now trying to change the rules for everyone else to carve out an exception for himself and other super wealthy individuals. It's rank hypocrisy and bullying and I'm amazed so many people on HN are supporting him in this, and choosing to believe him rather than reading up on how open this data already is.
fivre 4y ago
it me, the incontrovertible proof that is an 11s clip of somebody dressed like an 80s action film ninja inside a fuckin random-ass hyundai
porbelm 4y ago
What does this have to do with tracking his plane using public data? This is not about tracking his, or Grimes' or any other ex's car; not even about stalking them.
jrockway 4y ago
If you're the richest person in the world, you're going to have to expect that weirdos are going to follow you around. Many employ private security details. That's just how things are.
scott_w 4y ago
That’s not relevant to whether he’s a hypocrite. All that’s relevant is “would he have done the same thing if it was someone else’s location being tweeted out?” Given he had no problem calling a random person a “pedo” knowing it would cause harassment, I’m going to go with “no.”
- Deestan 4y ago
  He'd say "one two gerbil gerbil fourteen spiders singin' to me" if it would affect the stock price of anything he's planning on buying or selling, or harming something that cuts into his earnings. Previous strategy to appeal to tech was to pick last week's top post on /r/iamverysmart and state it as his philosophy. Current strategy now that tech has soured on him the past few years, is transitioning to parroting fascist dogwhistles. In two years he buys Whole Foods and will be ranting about holistic lifestyle chakra healing.
stuaxo 4y ago
Not even sure I fully trust Musk on this, after he lied about holding his child that died; when it turned out the mother did and it was SIDS related, he's got form on using his children to manipulate the outside world. https://twitter.com/justinemusk/status/1595506087570333696 https://twitter.com/justinemusk/status/1595506087570333696
- 2rsf 4y ago
  I'm not a Musk fan but "died in my arms" doesn't have to be read literally and i wouldn't consider this as a lie.
  - shapefrog 4y ago
    > My firstborn child died in my arms. I felt his last heartbeat. That is pretty literal
    - LightG 4y ago
      The guy is an absolute toad.
    - 2rsf 4y ago
      Not under the "always assume best intentions" principle, I have read similar descriptions from people that were near someone dying without actually physically holding them.
      - alsetmusic 4y ago
        > Not under the "always assume best intentions" principle, I have read similar descriptions from people that were near someone dying without actually physically holding them. In such a case: "Died in front of me" would be accurate. "Died in my arms" is a lie.
      - danaris 4y ago
        That only applies to people who haven't repeatedly proven themselves to be acting/speaking in bad faith. If Lucy pulls away the football 27 times, you aren't required to go running at it the 28th.
itsoktocry 4y ago
>A masked stalker, dressed all in black, was following his young child in car thinking it was him. I mean, maybe? I don't see a masked stalker doing much of anything in that video. In fact, the masked stalked in the car seems afraid of the person doing the filming (a security guard?). Certainly not showing much aggression. The claim is that this person then got out of the car and jumped on the hood of Elon's car preventing it from moving, but that wasn't caught on video?
asoneth 4y ago
Of course an event like this would cause me to rethink my position. But I don't think I would wait until it actually happened to my child. People have been raising these kinds of concerns to free speech absolutists like Musk for a while, but until it impacts him they are theoretical concerns that aren't as important as his principles. If he uses this personal experience as an opportunity to empathize with others and reconsider how Twitter handles speech which is legal but poses a safety risk to an individual or group then that is commendable. Or, if he maintained his commitment to free speech in the face of personal danger to his family I would respect such a principled stance. However, if he only bans those who might cause him (or people he likes) harm while allowing and even encouraging those who use free speech to incite harm against others then that seems hypocritical.
markhahn 4y ago
citizens deserve equal protection under the law. there's nothing special about his kid (or him). if anything, information about public figures, when in public, deserves less shielding.

TrickyRick 4y ago

I heard some people walked in to a big building in DC after Trump tweeted which later got him banned. Imagine if it was your building! Or does free speech only apply to things Elon likes?

abc_lisper 4y ago

Hunter was Joe’s child. If Twitter not publishing Hunter’s pics is a conspiracy, I don’t understand why this isn’t

shapefrog 4y ago
Hunters penis however is something that is apparently of great public interest.
Ygg2 4y ago
Hunter was using clout of then vice-president Biden to do some shady deals. It was relevant to an election Biden was about to become the President. The hookers and meth was there to entertain the more base urges of audience.
- abc_lisper 4y ago
  Could be, but there is no proof of deals in Elon’s Twitter files. Just Hunter’s naked pics
  - Ygg2 4y ago
    Did you actually read the files? They don't have any naked Hunter Biden pics (thank God). It's mostly about Twitter fabrication of Hunter Biden was hacked (discovered during laptop dissembly) and the connections between federal government and Twitter's staff.
    - abc_lisper 4y ago
      I did. Did you? There were links to pictures of Hunter in Elons posts.
      - Ygg2 4y ago
        Elon? I read Matt Taibi's report. I'm grateful I was spared from H. Biden wang.
        abc_lisper 4y ago
        I meant Elon commissioned posts that Matt Taibi posted. Links to Hunter’s pics were among them. If you are curious it was Tweet 8. Biden wasn’t part of federal government then FYI. https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598822959866683394 https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598822959866683394
        Ygg2 4y ago
        >Links to Hunter’s pics Links? You mean a picture of an https addresses that leads to a deleted tweet. > Biden wasn’t part of federal government then FYI. Sure but he had connections, and way to pull those images. See twit #8.
        abc_lisper 4y ago
        > Links? You mean a picture of an https addresses that leads to a deleted tweet. Yeah, obviously those pictures and associated tweets are deleted. That is why we are here. However, those are archived in WaybackMachine(archive.org). Copy/paste those links there.

hkt 4y ago

Maybe don't shuttle your kids around on a private jet..?

witchammer 4y ago

So you think he has good reasons for going back on what he claimed was his free speech position. Fair enough. It doesn't mean he hasn't gone back on what he said though, and it definitely fits with previous observations that he doesn't actually care at all about free speech and just does whatever he feels like that day.

thinkmcfly 4y ago
Free speech absolutist not so tough when he and his are scared
- cmsj 4y ago
  Cut a free speech absolutist and a censorious fascist bleeds.
  - mcv 4y ago
    Nobody is a true free speech absolutist; and Musk least of all[0]. There are always limits to speech. Things like libel, threats, blackmail, etc are also speech, and yet banned or restricted in some way. Social media are doing a lot of work exploring the edge cases of these, and it's possible laws need to be updated to account for the results. [0] Years ago Musk cancelled a Tesla order from a critic. On Twitter, it didn't take him long to ban a lot of satirical accounts.
    - cmsj 4y ago
      I agree with you, but I believe it is the case that Elon has previously described himself as a free speech absolutist, so this whole episode is exhibit 487 in the case for Elon having no idea what he's talking about.
      - mcv 4y ago
        He did, and it's both impossible and blatantly untrue. I just thought I should make that explicit. It wasn't meant as disagreement.

mrpopo 4y ago

It's interesting because Elon agrees with free speech restrictions only when he or his own children are affected, but not others. Case in point, this one + alex jones' controversy ('My firstborn child died in my arms'). Meanwhile, he fired the entire child abuse monitoring section.

maeln 4y ago

I get it but what is the relation with his private plane ?

flir 4y ago

"Free speech is peachy, until it hurts me. Then we need to come down on it like a ton of weight." And remember, my pronouns are Prosecute/Fauci.

logn 4y ago

And also at this point it's allegedly inciting violence, so his position might even be consistent given changing circumstances. Whether it actually is incitement is still debatable but a person of principle can still change their position without it being a flip flop. If Musk is taking legal action at least there is corresponding litigation for the account suspension for some sort of due process and objectivity.

jacquesm 4y ago

I fail to see the connection between this video, which was posted well after the account was blocked, given that the account had not tweeted out Musk's location after Dec 12th. The 'won't somebody think of the children' argument doesn't play nice with 'free speech as long as it is legal'. If Musk is so concerned about his children's privacy and safety then maybe he should stop tweeting out their whereabouts in real time himself?

AlchemistCamp 4y ago
It actually is relevant in this instance. The “speech” you speak of is automated broadcasting the movements of wealthy people in real-time. The primary group of people who have use for that information is kidnappers. There’s zero connection between this “speech” and political freedoms. Similarly, there’s a huge difference between you sharing you or your family’s location on social media occasionally on your own terms vs strangers tracking and sharing it regularly.
- jacquesm 4y ago
  This always was the case and there are zero recorded instances of such so no need to trot out this argument. Musk himself has Tweeted out the location of his child in real time.
- _djo_ 4y ago
  No, it's broadcasting the movements of a set of aircraft, using publicly available data. There is no information about who is on board those aircraft. Nobody has any right to privacy regarding the flight movements of their aircraft, and indeed any idea in that light is antithetical to the entire principal of air traffic control and safe air travel. The idea that people would not be able to track his aircraft if this account is gone is ludicrous, as there are both other flight tracking websites, the ability in some areas to get full flight plans, and even if you're a stalker the ability to just listen into ATC radio near the routes his aircraft use. You even have spotters who spend all their days at airports logging all aircraft and posting the results online, as they've done for decades, so there's no way for aircraft movements to remain secret for long. By buying private jets and choosing to use them exclusively, Musk himself gave up his right to any privacy when flying on them. He has other options, such as flying commercially or chartering aircraft, as others in his position have done, but has chosen not to use them. He's now trying to change the rules for everyone else to carve out an exception for himself and other super wealthy individuals. It's rank hypocrisy and bullying and I'm amazed so many people on HN are supporting him in this, and choosing to believe him rather than reading up on how open this data already is.

fivre 4y ago

it me, the incontrovertible proof that is an 11s clip of somebody dressed like an 80s action film ninja inside a fuckin random-ass hyundai

porbelm 4y ago

What does this have to do with tracking his plane using public data? This is not about tracking his, or Grimes' or any other ex's car; not even about stalking them.

jrockway 4y ago

If you're the richest person in the world, you're going to have to expect that weirdos are going to follow you around. Many employ private security details. That's just how things are.

scott_w 4y ago

That’s not relevant to whether he’s a hypocrite. All that’s relevant is “would he have done the same thing if it was someone else’s location being tweeted out?” Given he had no problem calling a random person a “pedo” knowing it would cause harassment, I’m going to go with “no.”

Deestan 4y ago
He'd say "one two gerbil gerbil fourteen spiders singin' to me" if it would affect the stock price of anything he's planning on buying or selling, or harming something that cuts into his earnings. Previous strategy to appeal to tech was to pick last week's top post on /r/iamverysmart and state it as his philosophy. Current strategy now that tech has soured on him the past few years, is transitioning to parroting fascist dogwhistles. In two years he buys Whole Foods and will be ranting about holistic lifestyle chakra healing.

stuaxo 4y ago

Not even sure I fully trust Musk on this, after he lied about holding his child that died; when it turned out the mother did and it was SIDS related, he's got form on using his children to manipulate the outside world. https://twitter.com/justinemusk/status/1595506087570333696 https://twitter.com/justinemusk/status/1595506087570333696

2rsf 4y ago
I'm not a Musk fan but "died in my arms" doesn't have to be read literally and i wouldn't consider this as a lie.
- shapefrog 4y ago
  > My firstborn child died in my arms. I felt his last heartbeat. That is pretty literal
  - LightG 4y ago
    The guy is an absolute toad.
  - 2rsf 4y ago
    Not under the "always assume best intentions" principle, I have read similar descriptions from people that were near someone dying without actually physically holding them.
    - alsetmusic 4y ago
      > Not under the "always assume best intentions" principle, I have read similar descriptions from people that were near someone dying without actually physically holding them. In such a case: "Died in front of me" would be accurate. "Died in my arms" is a lie.
    - danaris 4y ago
      That only applies to people who haven't repeatedly proven themselves to be acting/speaking in bad faith. If Lucy pulls away the football 27 times, you aren't required to go running at it the 28th.

itsoktocry 4y ago

>A masked stalker, dressed all in black, was following his young child in car thinking it was him. I mean, maybe? I don't see a masked stalker doing much of anything in that video. In fact, the masked stalked in the car seems afraid of the person doing the filming (a security guard?). Certainly not showing much aggression. The claim is that this person then got out of the car and jumped on the hood of Elon's car preventing it from moving, but that wasn't caught on video?

asoneth 4y ago

Of course an event like this would cause me to rethink my position. But I don't think I would wait until it actually happened to my child. People have been raising these kinds of concerns to free speech absolutists like Musk for a while, but until it impacts him they are theoretical concerns that aren't as important as his principles. If he uses this personal experience as an opportunity to empathize with others and reconsider how Twitter handles speech which is legal but poses a safety risk to an individual or group then that is commendable. Or, if he maintained his commitment to free speech in the face of personal danger to his family I would respect such a principled stance. However, if he only bans those who might cause him (or people he likes) harm while allowing and even encouraging those who use free speech to incite harm against others then that seems hypocritical.

markhahn 4y ago

citizens deserve equal protection under the law. there's nothing special about his kid (or him). if anything, information about public figures, when in public, deserves less shielding.