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You can complain but they won't do anything about it more often than not. You need small local government to care about those things. I live in a country withou

You can complain but they won't do anything about it more often than not. You need small local government to care about those things. I live in a country without HOAs and it's a nightmare. Everyone does how they pleases: noise, polluting junk cars, garbage in common areas, illegal parking on pedestrian paths etc. I am lucky enough to be able to afford a large land area to put my future home on and fence the rest. If I ever wanted to allow others to build their houses there I would certainly want a set of rules - that is HOA.

watwut 4y ago
I live in country without HOA and it is no hellhole like you described. Pretty clearly seems to me, HOAs are really not required for any of that.
- bluecalm 4y ago
  It won't be hell in some places but it will be in many. Your argument is akin to: "my neighbours are well behaved so clearly polluting/noisy neighbours are not a problem". It is a problem and if you don't have mechanism to deal with it is sheer luck if you manage to avoid it.
  - watwut 4y ago
    Your argument amounted to "there is one person claiming city around is very dirty therefore police is not responsive enough in many places".
- c22 4y ago
  GP's point was that HOAs are often more responsive to "nuisance crimes" than the local police. Why not address that with your response? Are the police more responsive where you live? Why do you think that's the case? Obviously HOAs aren't the only way to solve a problem, but they do work for some things.
  - emodendroket 4y ago
    Besides that, the HOA enforcers aren’t walking around with guns. Really seems like overkill to use the cops for this.
    - gs17 4y ago
      My old city had employees specifically for code enforcement who AFAIK weren't outfitted the same as the police.
  - watwut 4y ago
    My comment addressed exactly what GP said. He had specific anecdote, I has specific contra anecdote.
    - c22 4y ago
      Okay, but all I learned from your two anecdotes is that there are places where more local government is required to keep the peace and other places where it isn't. I still have no insight into why this is the case or whether or not HOAs are the best solution to the problem.

watwut 4y ago

I live in country without HOA and it is no hellhole like you described. Pretty clearly seems to me, HOAs are really not required for any of that.

bluecalm 4y ago
It won't be hell in some places but it will be in many. Your argument is akin to: "my neighbours are well behaved so clearly polluting/noisy neighbours are not a problem". It is a problem and if you don't have mechanism to deal with it is sheer luck if you manage to avoid it.
- watwut 4y ago
  Your argument amounted to "there is one person claiming city around is very dirty therefore police is not responsive enough in many places".
c22 4y ago
GP's point was that HOAs are often more responsive to "nuisance crimes" than the local police. Why not address that with your response? Are the police more responsive where you live? Why do you think that's the case? Obviously HOAs aren't the only way to solve a problem, but they do work for some things.
- emodendroket 4y ago
  Besides that, the HOA enforcers aren’t walking around with guns. Really seems like overkill to use the cops for this.
  - gs17 4y ago
    My old city had employees specifically for code enforcement who AFAIK weren't outfitted the same as the police.
- watwut 4y ago
  My comment addressed exactly what GP said. He had specific anecdote, I has specific contra anecdote.
  - c22 4y ago
    Okay, but all I learned from your two anecdotes is that there are places where more local government is required to keep the peace and other places where it isn't. I still have no insight into why this is the case or whether or not HOAs are the best solution to the problem.