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I don’t think it’s crazy for Twitter to ban stuff like this. The damning part is just that it explicitly goes against the stuff Musk has repeatedly said!

by benced 4y ago

djur 4y ago
It's definitely hard to figure out the logic where it's OK to ban someone for posting plane data because it might be misused for dangerous while it's bad evil censorship to ban the President while he's actively trying to overturn the results of a lawful election.
- Thorentis 4y ago
  Contesting the results of an election is entirely different to publishing location data with the intent to cause physical harm. Disputing election results is also part of the democratic process, even if you disagree with it, and should be encouraged. There is nothing in the public interesting concerned with stalking people.
  - SXX 4y ago
    Can you prove there were ever intent to cause physical harm?
    - denlekke 4y ago
      I read much more intent to cause harm in Trump's Jan 6 tweets than I did in any of Jack Sweeney's but intent is really difficult to prove which makes it a terrible metric for objective moderation
  - gmnash 4y ago
    Disputing elections in good faith and lawfully is part of the democratic process. Incitement of insurrection after lawful means have been exhausted is by definition not part of the democratic process.
  - chii 4y ago
    > Disputing election results is also part of the democratic process, even if you disagree with it, and should be encouraged. no, a democratic election with proper monitoring will not have a dispute on the election result - after all, you would be monitoring the counting process. What happened in jan is not a dispute of the election, it's a refusal to accept the results of the election. Aka, an attempted coup.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - toofy 4y ago
    > ...*with the intent to cause physical harm*. lets not get this carried away.
- asteroidbelt 4y ago
- gadders 4y ago
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    You know that’s not the same.
    - gadders 4y ago
      - ceejayoz 4y ago
        You know that’s not it.
        gadders 4y ago
        It's 90% of "it".
- BudaDude 4y ago
  It's simple, Does it hurt Elon's feelings? If so, ban them.
WatchDog 4y ago
Yeah, the hypocrisy is what annoys me the most. Not only does it contradict his direct statement about not banning @elonjet, it contradicts his statements about twitter policy being decided by a committee, as well as his numerous other statements about allowing free speech in general. The policy itself I think makes some sense, although it's interpretation is ripe for abuse, just posting any random picture of someone in real time could be interpreted as a violation.
- boringg 4y ago
  The hypocrisy is completely it. His entire position recently is completely counter to what he just did. If it is because he is concerned for his offspring likely he's having a how to protect my family vs how do I not be a hypocrit moment.
- ergocoder 4y ago
  Why does it annoy you? If something might be harmful to my kids, I would ignore what I said earlier and protect my kids first. I don't give a shit if I will be labeled as a hypocrite. My family and kids come first no matter what. Wouldn't you do the same? Would you be like oh damn my kid has to die because I can't be a hypocrite?
  - postingawayonhn 4y ago
    > If something might be harmful to my kids, I would ignore what I said earlier and protect my kids first. That's fine but he should at least admit he has been a hypocrite and stop attacking Twitters moderation policies.
    - ergocoder 4y ago
      Oh I see. You want him to admit out loud. In your world, people are not allowed to update their opinion quietly? I bet even you don't follow that rule.
      - WatchDog 4y ago
DoreenMichele 4y ago
He could stand to get a filter for his mouth and learn to be more nuanced. Perhaps he could hire a secretary or something to handle some of that. It doesn't seem to be an innate skill he has.
DeusExMachina 4y ago
Isn't Musk, or any other individual, allowed to change his mind? Many comments here seem to imply that a tweet sets your behavior in stone and any subsequent deviation is hypocrisy. He even changed Twitter's policy and specified that it's ok to share the information of where a person was, just not track their movements live. You can argue in favor or against the policy, but we expect people to change opinion because of experience.
- bananapub 4y ago
  > Isn't Musk, or any other individual, allowed to change his mind? of course he can, but if the change is "you know I used to say unfettered 'free speech' was the most important thing in the world and lack of it was killing western society? I've changed my mind, I don't want a twitter account publishing where my private jet is" I'd expect him to have to actually say that out loud and expect him to get a lot of shit for having such weak principles.

I don’t think it’s crazy for Twitter to ban stuff like this. The damning part is just that it explicitly goes against the stuff Musk has repeatedly said!

by benced 4y ago

I don’t think it’s crazy for Twitter to ban stuff like this. The damning part is just that it explicitly goes against the stuff Musk has repeatedly said!

djur 4y ago

It's definitely hard to figure out the logic where it's OK to ban someone for posting plane data because it might be misused for dangerous while it's bad evil censorship to ban the President while he's actively trying to overturn the results of a lawful election.

Thorentis 4y ago
Contesting the results of an election is entirely different to publishing location data with the intent to cause physical harm. Disputing election results is also part of the democratic process, even if you disagree with it, and should be encouraged. There is nothing in the public interesting concerned with stalking people.
- SXX 4y ago
  Can you prove there were ever intent to cause physical harm?
  - denlekke 4y ago
    I read much more intent to cause harm in Trump's Jan 6 tweets than I did in any of Jack Sweeney's but intent is really difficult to prove which makes it a terrible metric for objective moderation
- gmnash 4y ago
  Disputing elections in good faith and lawfully is part of the democratic process. Incitement of insurrection after lawful means have been exhausted is by definition not part of the democratic process.
- chii 4y ago
  > Disputing election results is also part of the democratic process, even if you disagree with it, and should be encouraged. no, a democratic election with proper monitoring will not have a dispute on the election result - after all, you would be monitoring the counting process. What happened in jan is not a dispute of the election, it's a refusal to accept the results of the election. Aka, an attempted coup.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- toofy 4y ago
  > ...*with the intent to cause physical harm*. lets not get this carried away.
asteroidbelt 4y ago
gadders 4y ago
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  You know that’s not the same.
  - gadders 4y ago
    - ceejayoz 4y ago
      You know that’s not it.
      - gadders 4y ago
        It's 90% of "it".
BudaDude 4y ago
It's simple, Does it hurt Elon's feelings? If so, ban them.

WatchDog 4y ago

Yeah, the hypocrisy is what annoys me the most. Not only does it contradict his direct statement about not banning @elonjet, it contradicts his statements about twitter policy being decided by a committee, as well as his numerous other statements about allowing free speech in general. The policy itself I think makes some sense, although it's interpretation is ripe for abuse, just posting any random picture of someone in real time could be interpreted as a violation.

boringg 4y ago
The hypocrisy is completely it. His entire position recently is completely counter to what he just did. If it is because he is concerned for his offspring likely he's having a how to protect my family vs how do I not be a hypocrit moment.
ergocoder 4y ago
Why does it annoy you? If something might be harmful to my kids, I would ignore what I said earlier and protect my kids first. I don't give a shit if I will be labeled as a hypocrite. My family and kids come first no matter what. Wouldn't you do the same? Would you be like oh damn my kid has to die because I can't be a hypocrite?
- postingawayonhn 4y ago
  > If something might be harmful to my kids, I would ignore what I said earlier and protect my kids first. That's fine but he should at least admit he has been a hypocrite and stop attacking Twitters moderation policies.
  - ergocoder 4y ago
    Oh I see. You want him to admit out loud. In your world, people are not allowed to update their opinion quietly? I bet even you don't follow that rule.
    - WatchDog 4y ago

DoreenMichele 4y ago

He could stand to get a filter for his mouth and learn to be more nuanced. Perhaps he could hire a secretary or something to handle some of that. It doesn't seem to be an innate skill he has.

DeusExMachina 4y ago

Isn't Musk, or any other individual, allowed to change his mind? Many comments here seem to imply that a tweet sets your behavior in stone and any subsequent deviation is hypocrisy. He even changed Twitter's policy and specified that it's ok to share the information of where a person was, just not track their movements live. You can argue in favor or against the policy, but we expect people to change opinion because of experience.

bananapub 4y ago
> Isn't Musk, or any other individual, allowed to change his mind? of course he can, but if the change is "you know I used to say unfettered 'free speech' was the most important thing in the world and lack of it was killing western society? I've changed my mind, I don't want a twitter account publishing where my private jet is" I'd expect him to have to actually say that out loud and expect him to get a lot of shit for having such weak principles.