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Elon Musk is taking legal action against the operator of the ElonJet account

m-p-3 4y ago
What's the legal basis behind the action? The ElonJet account was simply displaying info that is legally and publicly available, and he has no control over the action of a complete stranger, who could have got the same info from elsewhere.
clouddrover 4y ago
I wonder if Yoel Roth will also take legal action against Musk: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/12/12/musk-child-porn-qanon/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/12/12/musk-ch... https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-trust-safety-yoel-roth-fled-home-elon-musk-report-2022-12 https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-trust-safety-yoel-ro...
- xqcgrek2 4y ago
  How is posting what Roth wrote worthy of legal action by Roth?
  - clouddrover 4y ago
    How is posting already public information worthy of legal action by Musk?
    - xqcgrek2 4y ago
      It's not.
      - clouddrover 4y ago
        Good talk.
    - nailer 4y ago
      There are laws against stalking and harassment.
- bellicon 4y ago
  > "He's putting Yoel's life in danger and he knows it," tweeted Alejandra Caraballo, an instructor at Harvard Law School. This is rather hypocritical of Caraballo, who was called out just a couple of days ago while a witness in a House hearing for his own inciteful tweets, such as this one attacking Supreme Court Justices: "It is our civic duty to accost them every time they are in public." Perhaps he should take his own advice.
  - slater 4y ago
    her?
colesantiago 4y ago
How is this a safety risk? Most billionaires can afford and can pay for bodyguards with them so this really isn't an issue (unless they are paid extremely low and turn on you) If you don't want your plane to be tracked, just rent and switch private jets instead of owning one. This is just Elon getting upset and over exaggerating that he just bans anyone he doesn't like. Very immature.
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MallocVoidstar 4y ago
Not really clear to me how an account tracking movements of his jet leads to someone tailing & jumping on a car he wasn't in. How'd the person choose which car to jump on? From the tweet I'm not even sure it happened at an airport, to me it sounds like it happened in the city proper.
- intunderflow 4y ago
  Not sure it even matters, in the US legal system all you need is more money than your opponent and you can win-by-default by dragging things out until they can't fight you anymore
  - permo-w 4y ago
    it’s not necessarily more money as much as it is having more than a certain threshold while they don’t
jerojero 4y ago
I think Elon Musk motto has become "Free Speech only if I like it". What has changed from two weeks ago to now that suddenly this has become an issue? The fact that Elon Musk now perceives he was affected by it. The security threat has not changed whatsoever since the account started tweeting the location of his jet, which btw, is publicly available so any motivated individual would still be able to find it and track it. It really feels like Elon is just going about things as he personally feels rather than applying a robust ethical and moral framework to his decisions. Not that I expected anything else, but this definitely might feel stressful and awful to this poor guy who iirc is like a 17-18 year old anyway?
- hindsightbias 4y ago
  > 17-18 year old Honestly, I think he’s just acting like a prototypical self-proclaimed rationalist.
- nailer 4y ago
  Yes two weeks ago nobody had acted on the tracking info and attacked a car with Musk’s child in it. But two weeks ago ‘abusive’ tracking using public info was still against the ToS. Now the policy is clearer.
  - browserman 4y ago
    If you believe anything Musk says for longer than a microsecond I have an NFT of the Brooklyn Bridge I'd like to sell you.
    - nailer 4y ago
      These are both objective facts you can verify for yourself.
  - guax 4y ago
    You're ignoring a few things and trusting him too much: 1) Is ignoring that he asked for demotion of this account before the incident after saying he wasn't going to 2) He often lies about details and reasons for his decisions. Like saying the booing was because of a fight on the show we had video for. 3) There is zero correlation presented so far to this account being related to this attack 4) The ban comes too soon after a policy change without recourse, the account could for instance only post location changes with weeks delay, etc. TBH, Im ok with limiting tracking of location but this guy is one of the richest man in the world and very public, there is public interest in knowing where he flying those jets to (he can still rent/lease, hide in whatever organisation structure he wants). The policy is also not clear about what do to on exceptions and will not be equally enforced. "Elon is doing a show right now with dave Chappele at the X arena". Is this a violation? What kind of gray areas can be assumed will depend on how he interprets, etc. It doesn't really matter, it's his playground now, but it's hypocritical for him and he deserves to hear shit for it.
tonetheman 4y ago
Now Yoel and Fauci need to do the same to him. If he can win so can they. Just bog him down in legal stuff like this and Tesla will throw him out since he is a liability. He is too stupid to have learned anything from this though.
- nailer 4y ago
  What? Elon hasn’t facilitated stalking Fauci.
  - tonetheman 4y ago
    https://www.wjbf.com/hill-politics/white-house-calls-attacks-on-fauci-incredibly-dangerous-after-musk-tweets/ https://www.wjbf.com/hill-politics/white-house-calls-attacks...
    - nailer 4y ago
      Not available in my region.
      - dekhn 4y ago
        In short, Musk made a tweet saying his preferred pronouns are "Prosecute/Fauci". It's sort of an insult to people who use preferred pronouns while also showing he aligns with the people who think it makes sense to subject Fauci to legal action.
        nailer 4y ago
        Believing someone should be prosecuted doesn’t facilitate stalking them.
        lambic2 4y ago
        Unfortunately Fauci is getting lots of death threats thanks to right-wing media spewing lies about him. One guy is already sentenced to 3 years in prison for it, I wonder how many more crazies will do stupid things because of Elon's tweet and end up in prison just like this guy: https://www.justice.gov/usao-md/pr/man-who-made-threats-against-dr-anthony-fauci-and-other-federal-officials-sentenced-over https://www.justice.gov/usao-md/pr/man-who-made-threats-agai...

What's the legal basis behind the action? The ElonJet account was simply displaying info that is legally and publicly available, and he has no control over the action of a complete stranger, who could have got the same info from elsewhere.

clouddrover 4y ago

I wonder if Yoel Roth will also take legal action against Musk: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/12/12/musk-child-porn-qanon/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/12/12/musk-ch... https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-trust-safety-yoel-roth-fled-home-elon-musk-report-2022-12 https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-trust-safety-yoel-ro...

xqcgrek2 4y ago
How is posting what Roth wrote worthy of legal action by Roth?
- clouddrover 4y ago
  How is posting already public information worthy of legal action by Musk?
  - xqcgrek2 4y ago
    It's not.
    - clouddrover 4y ago
      Good talk.
  - nailer 4y ago
    There are laws against stalking and harassment.
bellicon 4y ago
> "He's putting Yoel's life in danger and he knows it," tweeted Alejandra Caraballo, an instructor at Harvard Law School. This is rather hypocritical of Caraballo, who was called out just a couple of days ago while a witness in a House hearing for his own inciteful tweets, such as this one attacking Supreme Court Justices: "It is our civic duty to accost them every time they are in public." Perhaps he should take his own advice.
- slater 4y ago
  her?

colesantiago 4y ago

How is this a safety risk? Most billionaires can afford and can pay for bodyguards with them so this really isn't an issue (unless they are paid extremely low and turn on you) If you don't want your plane to be tracked, just rent and switch private jets instead of owning one. This is just Elon getting upset and over exaggerating that he just bans anyone he doesn't like. Very immature.

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MallocVoidstar 4y ago

Not really clear to me how an account tracking movements of his jet leads to someone tailing & jumping on a car he wasn't in. How'd the person choose which car to jump on? From the tweet I'm not even sure it happened at an airport, to me it sounds like it happened in the city proper.

intunderflow 4y ago
Not sure it even matters, in the US legal system all you need is more money than your opponent and you can win-by-default by dragging things out until they can't fight you anymore
- permo-w 4y ago
  it’s not necessarily more money as much as it is having more than a certain threshold while they don’t

jerojero 4y ago

I think Elon Musk motto has become "Free Speech only if I like it". What has changed from two weeks ago to now that suddenly this has become an issue? The fact that Elon Musk now perceives he was affected by it. The security threat has not changed whatsoever since the account started tweeting the location of his jet, which btw, is publicly available so any motivated individual would still be able to find it and track it. It really feels like Elon is just going about things as he personally feels rather than applying a robust ethical and moral framework to his decisions. Not that I expected anything else, but this definitely might feel stressful and awful to this poor guy who iirc is like a 17-18 year old anyway?

hindsightbias 4y ago
> 17-18 year old Honestly, I think he’s just acting like a prototypical self-proclaimed rationalist.
nailer 4y ago
Yes two weeks ago nobody had acted on the tracking info and attacked a car with Musk’s child in it. But two weeks ago ‘abusive’ tracking using public info was still against the ToS. Now the policy is clearer.
- browserman 4y ago
  If you believe anything Musk says for longer than a microsecond I have an NFT of the Brooklyn Bridge I'd like to sell you.
  - nailer 4y ago
    These are both objective facts you can verify for yourself.
- guax 4y ago
  You're ignoring a few things and trusting him too much: 1) Is ignoring that he asked for demotion of this account before the incident after saying he wasn't going to 2) He often lies about details and reasons for his decisions. Like saying the booing was because of a fight on the show we had video for. 3) There is zero correlation presented so far to this account being related to this attack 4) The ban comes too soon after a policy change without recourse, the account could for instance only post location changes with weeks delay, etc. TBH, Im ok with limiting tracking of location but this guy is one of the richest man in the world and very public, there is public interest in knowing where he flying those jets to (he can still rent/lease, hide in whatever organisation structure he wants). The policy is also not clear about what do to on exceptions and will not be equally enforced. "Elon is doing a show right now with dave Chappele at the X arena". Is this a violation? What kind of gray areas can be assumed will depend on how he interprets, etc. It doesn't really matter, it's his playground now, but it's hypocritical for him and he deserves to hear shit for it.

tonetheman 4y ago

Now Yoel and Fauci need to do the same to him. If he can win so can they. Just bog him down in legal stuff like this and Tesla will throw him out since he is a liability. He is too stupid to have learned anything from this though.

nailer 4y ago
What? Elon hasn’t facilitated stalking Fauci.
- tonetheman 4y ago
  https://www.wjbf.com/hill-politics/white-house-calls-attacks-on-fauci-incredibly-dangerous-after-musk-tweets/ https://www.wjbf.com/hill-politics/white-house-calls-attacks...
  - nailer 4y ago
    Not available in my region.
    - dekhn 4y ago
      In short, Musk made a tweet saying his preferred pronouns are "Prosecute/Fauci". It's sort of an insult to people who use preferred pronouns while also showing he aligns with the people who think it makes sense to subject Fauci to legal action.
      - nailer 4y ago
        Believing someone should be prosecuted doesn’t facilitate stalking them.
        lambic2 4y ago
        Unfortunately Fauci is getting lots of death threats thanks to right-wing media spewing lies about him. One guy is already sentenced to 3 years in prison for it, I wonder how many more crazies will do stupid things because of Elon's tweet and end up in prison just like this guy: https://www.justice.gov/usao-md/pr/man-who-made-threats-against-dr-anthony-fauci-and-other-federal-officials-sentenced-over https://www.justice.gov/usao-md/pr/man-who-made-threats-agai...