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Tesla's mockery during the bull market is finally coming to an end. Being cocky and funny without delivering great results is simply embarrassing. I think Mer

Tesla's mockery during the bull market is finally coming to an end. Being cocky and funny without delivering great results is simply embarrassing. I think Mercedes and other automakers have a good chance to bypass Tesla now since Elno is captivated by his Twitter acquisition.

rnk 4y ago
I think you mean to say Elmo
- klipt 4y ago
  Come now, Elmo and Elon may both be childish Muppets, but Elmo at least has the excuse of actually being a child in an educational kids show.
jethro_tell 4y ago
IDK, it seems like the people doing the work might have a better grasp on delivering for tesla than musk. I don't imagine tweeting promises that the engineers know they can't keep is that useful.
bnjms 4y ago
> I think Mercedes and other automakers have a good chance to bypass Tesla now since Elno is captivated by his Twitter acquisition. I’ve been disappointed in Elon for some time and feel society may have already taken him for all of his good ideas. So I’d bet the opposite. This is a chance for Tesla to recover and match the established auto makers. And the only chance they’ll get.
- snotrockets 4y ago
  So far, Tesla has been incapable of stepping up to be a major car manufacturer. There are many small car manufacturers, some build exquisite cars that are technological and design marvels, but what Ford realized early, and Nagoya perfected (just consider how many modern op practices originated there!) is that it's not about the machine, but about the infrastructure. This is both pre-sale, where you have to build a lean, mean, fast pipeline from vendors to assembly, and post-sales, where you have to have service infrastructure that spans continents, if not the world. Tesla so far shows very little signs of being able to do either. And just like Whitley failed and ended up being bought by Mumbai, my personal bet (caveat lector!) is that Tesla-the-brand might survive, but Tesla-the-car-manufacturer would end up a subsidiary of a Chinese car manufacturer, who has the car manufacturing chops, but can't build a brand.
  - tiahura 4y ago
    VW made about 4.5 Billion in profit in Q3. Tesla made about 3.3 Billion. Seems pretty major to me.
    - erikstarck 4y ago
      Yeah, and highest margin by far in the auto industry. While growing 50% per year.
      - sumeno 4y ago
        Now that Elon has ruined his carefully crafted PR image of a real life Tony Stark we'll see how long that growth continues.
        Domenic_S 4y ago
        Only the terminally online think people buy Teslas because of Elon
        XorNot 4y ago
        No one thinks people buy Tesla's because of Elon. But people absolutely will not buy Tesla's because of Elon. Brands work hard to avoid negative sentiment for a reason.
        Domenic_S 4y ago
        The person I was replying to does, which is why I made the comment. I agree with your other two sentences.
        epistasis 4y ago
        I have a Tesla, and love it (at least as much as I could ever love a car, I'd prefer a car-free life honestly). The worst thing about it isn't the panel gaps or reliability (haven't had any problems). The worst part is Elon Musk and his fans. Shortly after getting the car three and a half years ago, I was leaving an outdoor party and a man who was a Musk superfan was doing that waving of arms of worship that you sometimes see fans do at metal conferences, and it was just embarrassing. Previously the same man had been gushing about full self driving, and I said there was no chance it would be delivered on time, if ever, and he professed his undying trust in Musk. Combined with Musk's recent anti-Ukraine efforts, his hyper-partisan paranoia thay he's trying to push on Twitter, his hate for trans people, his hate for biological science exhibited throughout the pandemic and even today in his "jokes" about prosecuting Fauci, Musk is waging cultural war against every single aspect of my identity. I hate Musk so so so much, and I know he had almost nothing to do with the creation of the car I like, but it still pains me everytime I get in it to know that I helped such a despicable person make a ton of money. Never again will I buy a Tesla, especially since there are now competitors. I'm sure I would hate all the rest of the auto execs almost as much if I knew as much about them as I know about Musk, but the nice thing is that I dont know a damn thing about Stellaris's CEO, from their name to their former partners. And there's a lot of value to that, as a customer. Maybe Musk is just trying to win over conservatives and jackasses to but Teslas, but I doubt it. I think he's just a dangerous fool.
- api 4y ago
  "You die a hero or live long enough to become a villain."
TheHappyOddish 4y ago
> Being cocky and funny without delivering great results is simply embarrassing. In the EV market, they #1 and #3 for most cars sold per model. What better results would you expect?

rnk 4y ago

I think you mean to say Elmo

klipt 4y ago
Come now, Elmo and Elon may both be childish Muppets, but Elmo at least has the excuse of actually being a child in an educational kids show.

jethro_tell 4y ago

IDK, it seems like the people doing the work might have a better grasp on delivering for tesla than musk. I don't imagine tweeting promises that the engineers know they can't keep is that useful.

bnjms 4y ago

> I think Mercedes and other automakers have a good chance to bypass Tesla now since Elno is captivated by his Twitter acquisition. I’ve been disappointed in Elon for some time and feel society may have already taken him for all of his good ideas. So I’d bet the opposite. This is a chance for Tesla to recover and match the established auto makers. And the only chance they’ll get.

snotrockets 4y ago
So far, Tesla has been incapable of stepping up to be a major car manufacturer. There are many small car manufacturers, some build exquisite cars that are technological and design marvels, but what Ford realized early, and Nagoya perfected (just consider how many modern op practices originated there!) is that it's not about the machine, but about the infrastructure. This is both pre-sale, where you have to build a lean, mean, fast pipeline from vendors to assembly, and post-sales, where you have to have service infrastructure that spans continents, if not the world. Tesla so far shows very little signs of being able to do either. And just like Whitley failed and ended up being bought by Mumbai, my personal bet (caveat lector!) is that Tesla-the-brand might survive, but Tesla-the-car-manufacturer would end up a subsidiary of a Chinese car manufacturer, who has the car manufacturing chops, but can't build a brand.
- tiahura 4y ago
  VW made about 4.5 Billion in profit in Q3. Tesla made about 3.3 Billion. Seems pretty major to me.
  - erikstarck 4y ago
    Yeah, and highest margin by far in the auto industry. While growing 50% per year.
    - sumeno 4y ago
      Now that Elon has ruined his carefully crafted PR image of a real life Tony Stark we'll see how long that growth continues.
      - Domenic_S 4y ago
        Only the terminally online think people buy Teslas because of Elon
        XorNot 4y ago
        No one thinks people buy Tesla's because of Elon. But people absolutely will not buy Tesla's because of Elon. Brands work hard to avoid negative sentiment for a reason.
        Domenic_S 4y ago
        The person I was replying to does, which is why I made the comment. I agree with your other two sentences.
        epistasis 4y ago
        I have a Tesla, and love it (at least as much as I could ever love a car, I'd prefer a car-free life honestly). The worst thing about it isn't the panel gaps or reliability (haven't had any problems). The worst part is Elon Musk and his fans. Shortly after getting the car three and a half years ago, I was leaving an outdoor party and a man who was a Musk superfan was doing that waving of arms of worship that you sometimes see fans do at metal conferences, and it was just embarrassing. Previously the same man had been gushing about full self driving, and I said there was no chance it would be delivered on time, if ever, and he professed his undying trust in Musk. Combined with Musk's recent anti-Ukraine efforts, his hyper-partisan paranoia thay he's trying to push on Twitter, his hate for trans people, his hate for biological science exhibited throughout the pandemic and even today in his "jokes" about prosecuting Fauci, Musk is waging cultural war against every single aspect of my identity. I hate Musk so so so much, and I know he had almost nothing to do with the creation of the car I like, but it still pains me everytime I get in it to know that I helped such a despicable person make a ton of money. Never again will I buy a Tesla, especially since there are now competitors. I'm sure I would hate all the rest of the auto execs almost as much if I knew as much about them as I know about Musk, but the nice thing is that I dont know a damn thing about Stellaris's CEO, from their name to their former partners. And there's a lot of value to that, as a customer. Maybe Musk is just trying to win over conservatives and jackasses to but Teslas, but I doubt it. I think he's just a dangerous fool.
api 4y ago
"You die a hero or live long enough to become a villain."

TheHappyOddish 4y ago

> Being cocky and funny without delivering great results is simply embarrassing. In the EV market, they #1 and #3 for most cars sold per model. What better results would you expect?