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So the police didn't do any detective work, didn't help with the sting operation, and they didn't punish the thief. It seems like it'd be more fruitful to get a

by chroma 4y ago

So the police didn't do any detective work, didn't help with the sting operation, and they didn't punish the thief. It seems like it'd be more fruitful to get a few of your friends and solve the problem yourself. It's not like the thief is going to go to the cops.

vorpalhex 4y ago
One of the hallmarks of a justice system is the presence of a neutral judge and a defense attorney. Mob violence is most certainly not just.
- curtisblaine 4y ago
  Also the presence of an executive part of the government which enforces law. If that is missing, the justice system is broken just the same. I don't understand why often we find it unfair when mob justice is administered (and it is unfair) but we don't find unfair that the police refuses to administer justice.
- chroma 4y ago
  I agree with you. The legal system's job is to substitute for vigilantes. In this case the legal system doesn't provide certain services adequately, so the incentives favor vigilantism.
- michael1999 4y ago
  The police already foreclosed any access to your justice via budget priority. Now we're discussing various flavours of injustice.
- marcosdumay 4y ago
  What, if you take the GP's comment as true, is very troublesome. But you didn't invalidate the GP in any way.
- kelnos 4y ago
  Vigilantism isn't ideal, but what else is a person to do when law enforcement refuses to do its job? Not sure "just let it go" is a great answer to that.
- nitwit005 4y ago
  In that case the US didn't have a justice system until 1963, as that's when people gained a right to a public defender: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gideon_v._Wainwright https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gideon_v._Wainwright Although since the states rarely fund it adequately, you often basically don't have one.
aidenn0 4y ago
> It's not like the thief is going to go to the cops. That's a rather bold statement. A friend was sexually assaulted in a public bathroom, punched the person who did it, and then my friend had assault charges filed on him by that person. My friend was able to plea to non-criminal charges, but it certainly wasn't a pleasant experience.

by chroma 4y ago

vorpalhex 4y ago

One of the hallmarks of a justice system is the presence of a neutral judge and a defense attorney. Mob violence is most certainly not just.

curtisblaine 4y ago
Also the presence of an executive part of the government which enforces law. If that is missing, the justice system is broken just the same. I don't understand why often we find it unfair when mob justice is administered (and it is unfair) but we don't find unfair that the police refuses to administer justice.
chroma 4y ago
I agree with you. The legal system's job is to substitute for vigilantes. In this case the legal system doesn't provide certain services adequately, so the incentives favor vigilantism.
michael1999 4y ago
The police already foreclosed any access to your justice via budget priority. Now we're discussing various flavours of injustice.
marcosdumay 4y ago
What, if you take the GP's comment as true, is very troublesome. But you didn't invalidate the GP in any way.
kelnos 4y ago
Vigilantism isn't ideal, but what else is a person to do when law enforcement refuses to do its job? Not sure "just let it go" is a great answer to that.
nitwit005 4y ago
In that case the US didn't have a justice system until 1963, as that's when people gained a right to a public defender: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gideon_v._Wainwright https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gideon_v._Wainwright Although since the states rarely fund it adequately, you often basically don't have one.

aidenn0 4y ago

> It's not like the thief is going to go to the cops. That's a rather bold statement. A friend was sexually assaulted in a public bathroom, punched the person who did it, and then my friend had assault charges filed on him by that person. My friend was able to plea to non-criminal charges, but it certainly wasn't a pleasant experience.