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So to be clear, your car almost drove itself into oncoming traffic with your child in it and your first instinct was "Hey, maybe give it two more tries"?
by tsigo 4y ago
So to be clear, your car almost drove itself into oncoming traffic with your child in it and your first instinct was "Hey, maybe give it two more tries"?
- voganmother42 4y agoWell and you don’t need to go far to find others defending the risk to others as well, “it wouldn’t have gone up the curb if there was a person there”, its interesting to see how cavalier people normally are with making that judgement for others, especially for their offspring
- three_seagrass 4y agoAlso consumer bias, or "post-purchase rationalization" - i.e. humans overly attribute positivity to goods/services from brands they buy from. Even when it's as bad as throwing you in the wrong lane of traffic.
- solardev 4y agoAnyone can make more kids. Not everyone can do more science!
- timeon 4y agoEven bought another car from the company.
- avereveard 4y agoThe full self driving package act like grammar error on spam emails, self select for people with no understanding of technology. I fully expect that the more wild shenanigans in tesla future will be targeted at them directly.
- sanedigital 4y agoThe car is great. FSD is not.
- blendergeek 4y agoEvery car "nearly drove itself into oncoming traffic" if the driver doesn't takeover. Its not like he climbed into the backseat and said, "Tesla, takeover". No, he let the car help with the driving, but maintained control of the vehicle to ensure the safety of the child.
- sircastor 4y agoSo, third-hand story, about 20 years ago, from an acquaintance who heard it from a Police officer who dealt with the following situation: This police officer was responding to an RV which had run off the road, and was speaking with the driver. The driver, a bit shook up from the experience explained that he was driving down the highway, turned on the cruise control, and got up to make himself a sandwich...
- mikestew 4y ago“3rd-hand story”, from a friend of a friend…uh, huh. Unless I’m missing a heaping bucket of “ironically”, you could have just said “there’s an old urban legend…” instead of passing off an old joke as something true.
- sircastor 4y agoWell, up until a moment ago, I legitimately believed it to be true - even though I was a few steps removed from it. Live and learn I guess.
- sgc 4y agoI have been duped like this before too! Believe a story that just doesn't ring right when you tell it to somebody else years later. Teaching / communicating corrects a lot of errors.
- drivers99 4y agoI remember my grandma telling that story maybe 30-40 years ago. Gotta be an urban legend. Yup: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cruise-uncontrol/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cruise-uncontrol/
- dsfyu404ed 4y agoPressing a button and then paying careful attention to watch the system perform is VERY different from just engaging the system and trusting it to do its thing. I think the software is a half-baked gimmick but come on "look guys, I care about children too" variety of in-group signaling with a side of back seat parenting adds less than nothing to the discussion of the subject at hand. And INB4 someone intentionally misinterprets me as defending the quality of Tesla's product, I'm not.
- jjulius 4y agoCome on, this feels overly aggressive. Circumstances are nuanced, we don't know to what degree of danger any of these situations posed to the child, only the parent does. Judge not lest ye, and such.
- wpietri 4y agoAh yes, surely the meaning of that bible verse is, "Don't ask mildly difficult questions based in any sort of moral stance." Because we all know that book is famously opposed to performing any sort of moral analysis.
- jjulius 4y agoThere's asking questions about the circumstances to better understand before casting judgement, and then there's sarcastically implying that OP is a bad parent for endangering their child without asking any actual questions about what happened.
- idontpost 4y ago
- wpietri 4y agoThat was not sarcasm, which generally requires words used in contradiction to the normal meaning. E.g., if somebody makes a dumb mistake, the response, "nice work, Einstein" would be sarcastic. This was at worst mocking, but it wasn't ever hyperbolic, given that the what was written was a literal description of what the guy did. Regardless, you haven't answered the point about the quote. "Judge not lest ye be judged" does not mean we have to empty-headedly refrain from any sort of moral criticism. In context, it's about hypocrisy, reminding us to apply our standards to ourselves as stringently as we do others. I think it's only appropriate here if tsigo somehow indicated he would happily endanger his own children, which I don't see any sign of.
- jjulius 4y ago
- heyjamesknight 4y ago[flagged]
- ryanwaggoner 4y agoTo be fair, you did say that it literally drove up onto the corner of the intersection and "thank god there were no pedestrians there", which does not make it sound like you were in full control at all times, but rather that it was lucky no one was there or they would have been hit.
- spuz 4y agoPresumably, if they had seen pedestrians standing on the corner, they would have intervened long before Tesla's AI could mount the curb. I've never driven a self driving car but I imagine it's a bit like being a driving instructor whose feet hover over the passenger brake. You'll be a lot more vigilant when the danger or consequence is higher.
- mentalpiracy 4y ago> nobody was ever actually in danger not sure you're qualified to make that assertion, simply based on the series of choices you've described yourself making here.
- sanedigital 4y agoOnly on HN could someone be arrogant enough to think their non-experience is more accurate than another's actual experience. At no point was anyone—myself, my child, or another party—in any danger. Perhaps that would be different for someone who had never used Autopilot and didn't know how to disengage. But after a year driving that car, I'm comfortable in my assertion that the situation was safe. But, by all means, please continue with the HN pedantry. We wouldn't want this place to change.
- jollyllama 4y agoNo harm, no foul. GP's child learned a valuable lesson which may serve the child well in the decades to come: don't trust self-driving.
- someweirdperson 4y agoI guess the lesson is more for the parent, unless the child will get $10k worth of ice cream less.
- elmomle 4y agoComments like these disincentivize people from sharing honestly. I have full confidence that OP was telling the truth when saying they it was a relatively safe / low traffic environment, and I fully imagine they were paying attention and ready to intervene when FSD made mistakes.
- kolbe 4y agoPeople sharing anecdotes isn't productive either. Someone talking about "almost crashes" is a terribly subjective thing. We have thousands of hours of youtube video of FSD. We have some data. And the value add of one commenter's experience is virtually zero.
- albertopv 4y agoTeslas have been driven for millions of hours at least, if not billions, thousands of hours of youtube videos are anecdotes as well proportionally speaking. What about Tesla releasing complete real data? What are they scared about? Until then Tesla claims can't be taken seriously.
- paulryanrogers 4y agoVideos on YT suffer from selection bias. Folks having scares are less likely to make the time to publish them, especially if they're fan boys -- the one cohort most likely to publish. Agree raw data, or even just per 10K mile stats, from Tesla should be table stakes. Why aren't they required to report such things by law?
- rurp 4y agoI strongly disagree. It's interesting to hear a thoughtful recounting of a HNers experience. Tesla releasing the actual raw data would be much more helpful, but of course they are refusing to do that, most likely because it would betray how overhyped, unreliable and dangerous the software is.
- kolbe 4y ago
- Lendal 4y agoYes, because it's not something you just try out on a whim. I personally paid $10,000 for the option, and it's nonrefundable. You also have a human desire to help out, be part of something bigger, do your part in the advancement of science & engineering. So yes, you overcome adversity, you keep on trying, and you teach those values to your kids. Unfortunately, it increasing looks like the experiment has failed. But not because of us. We're pissed because Musk isn't doing his part in the deal. He's not pulling his weight. At this point, he's becoming more and more an anchor around the neck of technological progress. That didn't need to happen. It didn't need to be this way. So yeah, we're pissed off, not just because of the money we paid, but also because we feel like we were defrauded by his failure to pull his own weight in the deal. I wouldn't be surprised to see him make his escape to the Bahamas before this decade is up.
- selectodude 4y agoI'm just confused that she'd buy another Tesla after that experience.
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- HWR_14 4y agoWell, she already had paid to install the at home charger for Teslas.
- sanedigital 4y agoNot sure where you got "she" from, but regardless, I bought another Tesla because the car is fantastic. The FSD is not.
- cactusplant7374 4y ago> You also have a human desire to help out, be part of something bigger, do your part in the advancement of science & engineering. So yes, you overcome adversity, you keep on trying, and you teach those values to your kids. Why not restrict your beta testing to a closed course? A race track? Some land you bought out in the middle of the desert? Have the kids make some some stop signs, plow your new roads, etc. No one else on the road is consenting to a technology that could rapidly accelerate and course correct into their vehicle at some undetermined time.
- pschuegr 4y agoI assume that you have snarky comments to spare for the company who legally put this option in his hands as well, is that right?
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