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He's also posted internal Twitter screenshots, allegedly showing a VP was personally involved in @ElonJet moderation. (In the context of an earlier moderation a
by perihelions 4y ago
He's also posted internal Twitter screenshots, allegedly showing a VP was personally involved in @ElonJet moderation. (In the context of an earlier moderation action -- visibility filtering ("VF")).
- "A screenshot of what he claimed was an internal Slack channel showed Ella Irwin, the person appointed to replace Yoel Roth as Twitter’s new head of trust and safety, asking a “Team” to “please apply heavy VF to @elonjet immediately."
https://www.thedailybeast.com/twitter-account-following-elon-musks-private-jet-gets-shadow-banned https://www.thedailybeast.com/twitter-account-following-elon... ("Twitter Account Tracking Elon Musk’s Private Jet Gets Shadow Banned")
https://twitter.com/JxckSweeney/status/1601793881355739143 https://twitter.com/JxckSweeney/status/1601793881355739143
- minimaxir 4y agoIt's worth noting that Twitter dissolved the Trust and Safety Council after that tweet was posted: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/twitter-disbands-trust-safety-council-rcna61400 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/twitter-disbands-trus... It's unclear if Ella Irwin still works at Twitter, but giving everything going on I strongly suspect there's no one to moderate against Elon personally banning an account he does not like.
- stefan_ 4y agoShe just got the role, why would she no longer work there? Presumably she was put there to enable this, after Yoel Roth abruptly left (and was subsequently defamed as a pedo by Elon, what's with the guy and pedophiles).
- chris11 4y agoShe started in June, she then quit shortly after Elon took over, then she was convinced to come back.
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- rvnx 4y agoIn his own words "I have spoken to Putin only once"
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- stjohnswarts 4y agoWell, the Russians weren't attempting to genocide a country/culture at the point that we contracted with the Russians.
- hunterb123 4y agoFalse. We were during and after Crimea.
- sobkas 4y ago> Well, the Russians weren't attempting to genocide a country/culture at the point that we contracted with the Russians. Do you really believe that Russia grown to be the biggest country on Earth by playing nice with natives? Or if it suddenly became evil after revolution? Russia destroyed other cultures every time it got an upper hand and was built on blood of mostly other people.
- drcongo 4y agoMaybe he doth protest too much.
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- cbtacy 4y agoAgain, take this s*t to Truth Social where fact free conspiracy BS belongs.
- mrtweetyhack 4y ago
- mitchdoogle 4y agoMusk has previously claimed his use of the word "pedo" comes from South Africa where he says it is/was a common insult when he was growing up, akin to calling someone a "creep" in American English
- fnordpiglet 4y agoI don’t mean to be a antagonistic but as the owner of twitter why would we expect he not have the right and ability to ban anyone he likes? When it was publicly held there was some accountability to the shareholders as part of the public. Now he can literally carry a sink around wherever he wants
- OscarCunningham 4y agoOh he should have the right to do it, but that doesn't mean we have to like it.
- LelouBil 4y agoNobody said he didn't have the right to do it. It's his company now. However he said he wanted twitter to be a free speech platform of some sort, so that's seen as hypocritical.
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- echelon 4y agoMoreover, I think that this erratic behavior is going to crater Tesla stock [1]. Regardless of your political leanings, Twitter Elon is showing signs of weakness, distraction, emotional decision making, and an inability to avoid suboptimal choices. In a very public forum, with all of the world watching and media stacked against him. Elon is looking like he got suckered into buying Twitter and now has to play the difficult and mundane role of private equity turnaround so that he can recoup his -- and his investors' -- funds. It's a huge distraction from his more important businesses. Folks are already asking him to step down as Tesla CEO [2]. Best to kick a dog while he's down. I think Tesla has been overvalued for some time. It's not the only EV company in the world, and soon every company (and domestic production capacity worth its salt) will be pumping out EV options for consumers. This Twitter deal was the activation energy required to jostle the Tesla stock out of its lofty position. I hope I'm wrong, and that things at Twitter begin to stabilize. I think that SpaceX is one of the most important companies in the world right now, and it needs a leader who can continue to push the boundaries of what was thought possible. [1] I'm thinking of putting my money where my mouth is and buying puts, which is something I rarely do. [2] https://www.autoevolution.com/news/unconfirmed-reports-claim-tesla-china-president-will-replace-musk-as-global-ceo-205869.html https://www.autoevolution.com/news/unconfirmed-reports-claim...
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- nickthegreek 4y agoElon said he wouldn't ban the account. It's banned. That's the story.
- madeofpalk 4y agoMy understanding is that the 'Trust and Safety Council' was an international board of external stakeholders and consultants to help with 'Trust and Safety' (moderation) at Twitter, NOT the 'Trust and Safety' division within Twitter.
- stjohnswarts 4y agoI suspect that Musk has a very easily accessible interface to delete any twitter user that he wants within seconds and that is what happened here.
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- seri4l 4y agoVF = visibility filtering
- Consultant32452 4y agoVF = visibility filter = shadow banning
- electrondood 4y agoIronically, exactly what Mr. Free Speech claimed constituted a violation of free speech, when it wasn't him doing it.
- nickthegreek 4y agoVF != shadow banning.
- pgodzin 4y agoit is according to Bari Weiss's definition in her Twitter Files thread
- nickthegreek 4y agoWho care's about Bari Weiss's definition? She tweeted many false things that day.
- pgodzin 4y agoPresumably Elon does, given that he's feeding these people internal Twitter Files
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- AdamN 4y agoShadow Banning is alot more narrow than general VF. VF could be used for reasons like maximizing time in the app, encouraging high value activities, etc...
- saw-lau 4y agoI've never come across the term 'heavy VF' before - can somebody clue me in?
- saw-lau 4y agoThanks, seri4l!
- perihelions 4y agoMea culpa! I've edited my comment to fix this. ("visibility filtering")
- gregshap 4y agoVF = Visibility Filtering = "Shadow Banning"
- icare_1er 4y agoUsed to be another "conspiracy theory" yet again proven to be true.
- mikeyouse 4y agoThe sloppy definitions allow all sorts of stupid conspiracy theories to be "proven true" when they clearly aren't. Twitter's always limited reach of accounts, that's been in their TOS for 4+ years: https://help.twitter.com/en/safety-and-security/tweet-visibility https://help.twitter.com/en/safety-and-security/tweet-visibi... The conspiracy theory that Twitter shadow banned accounts to a level in which even people looking for their Tweets couldn't find them, remains false. Everything that everyone Tweets is visible to everyone who looks at their Timeline. This is explicitly how Musk promised to run the service, "Freedom of speech, not reach" and is basically how Twitter has operated for years with the exception that old Twitter banned people who repeatedly violated the TOS.
- chc 4y agoNo, everyone knew that this system existed for quite some time. The site's UI even surfaces it by hiding some filtered tweets behind a "view more" button. The conspiracy theory is that the feature was used specifically to silence conservatives for their political views, or that huge conservative accounts that showed up everywhere were somehow suffering from it when their latest brain enhancement pill sale didn't go well enough.
- einpoklum 4y ago"I, for one, welcome our new Tesla overlord. VF @ElonJet immediately."
- tibbydudeza 4y agoWell so much for that no leak pledge Elon made to the remaining twits.
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- memish 4y agoYou missed the followup where it was reversed 2 days later. "It appears @ElonJet is longer banned or hidden in anyway." https://twitter.com/JxckSweeney/status/1602354433807061070 https://twitter.com/JxckSweeney/status/1602354433807061070
- BryantD 4y agoSince he made that post, @ElonJet has been banned.
- KyleJune 4y agoThat was 2 days ago, it was re-suspended yesterday.
- SXX 4y ago@ElonJet account is still suspended at the time when I leave this comment. 10 minutes after you posted this.
- smalley 4y agoNo, that tweet predates the more recent ban tweet by 2 days. I just checked and ElonJet and a couple of the other accounts definitely show as suspended/banned to me.
- mike_d 4y agoThe account you link to is now suspended for talking about ElonJet being banned.
- pwinnski 4y agoTime is ordered so that things happen after other things. So first @ElonJet appeared to be shadow-banned or visibility-filtered. Then @JxckSweeney commented on that. Then it appeared that @ElonJet was back to normal. Then @JxckSweeney commented on that. *THIS* is what you linked to, from Dec 12, two days ago. Then today, two days later, @ElonJet was suspended. Then you posted your comment, apparently missing the passage of time from Dec 12 to Dec 14. Then also today, @JxckSweeney was suspended. I hope that brings everyone up to date.
- rmk 4y agoSeems to me it's perfectly in line with Elon's 'freedom of speech, not reach' comments. Can't say about suspending the account, but as a private company with whatever TOS (I have never read any ToS of any software or service that I use), I suppose this was bound to happen.
- minimaxir 4y agoTop-level comment highjack: ElonJet's creator was just suspended/banned from Twitter as the linked tweet indicates.
- chanana 4y agoHere is an archived version of the second link: https://archive.vn/jhJHd https://archive.vn/jhJHd