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Apple may argue you paid to get a locked-down device and I don’t think they ever claimed otherwise. Also, if you buy an Xbox, Tesla, Fitbit watch, fridge, etc.

Apple may argue you paid to get a locked-down device and I don’t think they ever claimed otherwise. Also, if you buy an Xbox, Tesla, Fitbit watch, fridge, etc. you can’t load whatever you please, either. Why would all smartphones be different? If you look at it historically, the PC is about the only device allowing that kind of user control.

Aeolun 4y ago
Smart phones are as close to general purpose computers as you can get.
- Eleison23 4y ago
matheusmoreira 4y ago
> Why would all smartphones be different? Because corporations maintaining such control over what should have been our computers is fundamentally unjust. It turns us into serfs of their digital fiefdoms where they make the laws and collect the taxes and tariffs.
- KyeRussell 4y ago
  You aren’t even remotely engaging with the point that you’re replying to.
devmor 4y ago
> Xbox, Tesla, Fitbit watch, fridge, etc. you can’t load whatever you please, either. Are you new here? All of these things are examples of locked down ecosystems that most of us in favor of this change also want unlocked. The idea that you can own a device and can't do whatever you want with it is asinine. If you can't do what you want, you don't own it.
- KyeRussell 4y ago
  Are you new here? Every discussion about closed ecosystems I see on this terrible website has people arguing for both sides. That’s why they’re…arguments…and not simply people patting each other on the back.
  - devmor 4y ago
    If you have seen multiple discussions about closed ecosystems, then you should know it's not about Apple specifically and is about the principle of device ownership already.
jobs_throwaway 4y ago
>If you look at it historically, the PC is about the only device allowing that kind of user control Why should we give a shit about historical norms? For most of history most children died at childbirth. Does that mean we should accept a >50% infant mortality rate?
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heavyset_go 4y ago
It's time to open up consoles and cars, too. Someone doing something bad doesn't excuse someone else for doing the same thing. Historically, women couldn't vote, does that excuse countries that prevent women from voting from doing so, too?
alex7734 4y ago
> you can’t load whatever you please, either. Well you should be able to. If the customer is powerless to stop it we're going to see cars and fridges playing ads at full volume very soon.

Aeolun 4y ago

Smart phones are as close to general purpose computers as you can get.

Eleison23 4y ago

matheusmoreira 4y ago

> Why would all smartphones be different? Because corporations maintaining such control over what should have been our computers is fundamentally unjust. It turns us into serfs of their digital fiefdoms where they make the laws and collect the taxes and tariffs.

KyeRussell 4y ago
You aren’t even remotely engaging with the point that you’re replying to.

devmor 4y ago

> Xbox, Tesla, Fitbit watch, fridge, etc. you can’t load whatever you please, either. Are you new here? All of these things are examples of locked down ecosystems that most of us in favor of this change also want unlocked. The idea that you can own a device and can't do whatever you want with it is asinine. If you can't do what you want, you don't own it.

KyeRussell 4y ago
Are you new here? Every discussion about closed ecosystems I see on this terrible website has people arguing for both sides. That’s why they’re…arguments…and not simply people patting each other on the back.
- devmor 4y ago
  If you have seen multiple discussions about closed ecosystems, then you should know it's not about Apple specifically and is about the principle of device ownership already.

jobs_throwaway 4y ago

>If you look at it historically, the PC is about the only device allowing that kind of user control Why should we give a shit about historical norms? For most of history most children died at childbirth. Does that mean we should accept a >50% infant mortality rate?

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heavyset_go 4y ago

It's time to open up consoles and cars, too. Someone doing something bad doesn't excuse someone else for doing the same thing. Historically, women couldn't vote, does that excuse countries that prevent women from voting from doing so, too?

alex7734 4y ago

> you can’t load whatever you please, either. Well you should be able to. If the customer is powerless to stop it we're going to see cars and fridges playing ads at full volume very soon.