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No one is perfect. I'm sorry for being snarky, but how else can we make meaningful change without starting with personal responsibility. We can't blame big food

No one is perfect. I'm sorry for being snarky, but how else can we make meaningful change without starting with personal responsibility. We can't blame big food for our choices.

SamoyedFurFluff 4y ago
Im not tying to shift blame, I’m pointing out that this is much less simple than the original poster described. It’s no so simple as just walking more and taking the time to eat whole food precisely because there is a broader system designed to keep people fat consumers that should be seriously and skeptically examined for dodging their influences on society. We know cigarette kept dodging their involvement in getting kids addicted early. We know Perdue was lying about how their opioids worked to guarantee addiction cycles. We know the original nutrition guidelines were originally developed by the agriculture department and that several agribusinesses had their thumbs on the scale to skew what was told to the entire nation on how to eat well. Are those kids who were exposed to cigarettes personally responsible? How about those folks who are addicted to opioids now? And of course all those Americans at the time, they just should’ve decided against following official nutrition guidelines by their government (assuming they can afford to! Poor kids were fed according to these guidelines in school lunches…) And that’s just the stuff we know about!
- SamPatt 4y ago
  It is simple. It's just not easy. I think the original comment was pointing out that our discussion of diet and nutrition is overly complicated. Not that it's easy to make the right choices, but that it is easy knowing what those right choices are. I hear you on how difficult it is though. People who are able to manage it confuse the simplicity of knowing what to do and the difficulty of actually achieving it.
orwin 4y ago
We can't blame big tobacco either. Let's remove taxes on tobacco and make tobacco advertising legal no matter what. Let's also stop subsidized detox clinics, those addicts have their own free will after all.
johnchristopher 4y ago
Can you read the room or will you keep being a smart ass ? > No one is perfect. I'm sorry for being snarky, but how else can we make meaningful change without starting with personal responsibility. We can't blame big food for our choices. Yeah. Actually we can. The marketing and psychological warfare big food is waging against customers take its toll on personal responsibility when it's time to cook something after your second job night shift.
- algoatecorn 4y ago
  Then go innovate in that area. Find ways to reduce cost and time prep through new technology and business models. This is why I'm being a smart ass and why it's so frustrating to listen to excuses. You obviously see a problem in one our biggest industries. Go disrupt it. Do something about it. No one is going to pay you to complain.
  - johnchristopher 4y ago
    > Then go innovate in that area. Find ways to reduce cost and time prep through new technology and business models. This is so effing stupid to read. You don't innovate to reduce costs and time prep to squeeze out more time out of people so they can work 3 jobs instead of 2 to pay for microwaved food, that's not the end game. > This is why I'm being a smart ass and why it's so frustrating to listen to excuses. No, you are a smart ass because you are riding the personal responsibility trope to ignore fuck tons of external and internal reasons for why people are not robots and don't follow the perfect diet and lifestyle recipes. That's a simplistic nickelodeon outlook that helps no one. One day you'll bump into a wall and maybe you'll realize your belief that your mind is free and your body a dumb machine to program to overcome anything is bullshit, like your stance that "we are all free so everything is our fault and anyone can do anything if only they apply themselves" is bullshit as well. > You obviously see a problem in one our biggest industries. Go disrupt it. Do something about it. What a stupid and empty edge lord counter argument is this ? Too busy working on climate change at the moment [0] if you want to know it all. > No one is going to pay you to complain. If you could stop complaining about "people's excuses" as well that'd be even better. [0] For real. And big food industries is part of this problem and we are trying to tackle it at work. edit: dammit, I'll even play along: > Then go innovate in that area. Find ways to reduce cost and time prep through new technology and business models. What makes you think faster to cook or even healthier food can beat billions of €/$ poured in advertising and marketing at scale ? It's not working, that's the reality, that's the facts, this is the environment your purely intellectual vision of the problem doesn't want to account for. Because it's easier to say "people are free so it's their fault" than admit "hey... that world is surprisingly hard to model and predict and understand, lots of things going on and parameters interacting with each other here...".

No one is perfect. I'm sorry for being snarky, but how else can we make meaningful change without starting with personal responsibility. We can't blame big food for our choices.

SamoyedFurFluff 4y ago

Im not tying to shift blame, I’m pointing out that this is much less simple than the original poster described. It’s no so simple as just walking more and taking the time to eat whole food precisely because there is a broader system designed to keep people fat consumers that should be seriously and skeptically examined for dodging their influences on society. We know cigarette kept dodging their involvement in getting kids addicted early. We know Perdue was lying about how their opioids worked to guarantee addiction cycles. We know the original nutrition guidelines were originally developed by the agriculture department and that several agribusinesses had their thumbs on the scale to skew what was told to the entire nation on how to eat well. Are those kids who were exposed to cigarettes personally responsible? How about those folks who are addicted to opioids now? And of course all those Americans at the time, they just should’ve decided against following official nutrition guidelines by their government (assuming they can afford to! Poor kids were fed according to these guidelines in school lunches…) And that’s just the stuff we know about!

SamPatt 4y ago
It is simple. It's just not easy. I think the original comment was pointing out that our discussion of diet and nutrition is overly complicated. Not that it's easy to make the right choices, but that it is easy knowing what those right choices are. I hear you on how difficult it is though. People who are able to manage it confuse the simplicity of knowing what to do and the difficulty of actually achieving it.

orwin 4y ago

We can't blame big tobacco either. Let's remove taxes on tobacco and make tobacco advertising legal no matter what. Let's also stop subsidized detox clinics, those addicts have their own free will after all.

johnchristopher 4y ago

Can you read the room or will you keep being a smart ass ? > No one is perfect. I'm sorry for being snarky, but how else can we make meaningful change without starting with personal responsibility. We can't blame big food for our choices. Yeah. Actually we can. The marketing and psychological warfare big food is waging against customers take its toll on personal responsibility when it's time to cook something after your second job night shift.

algoatecorn 4y ago
Then go innovate in that area. Find ways to reduce cost and time prep through new technology and business models. This is why I'm being a smart ass and why it's so frustrating to listen to excuses. You obviously see a problem in one our biggest industries. Go disrupt it. Do something about it. No one is going to pay you to complain.
- johnchristopher 4y ago
  > Then go innovate in that area. Find ways to reduce cost and time prep through new technology and business models. This is so effing stupid to read. You don't innovate to reduce costs and time prep to squeeze out more time out of people so they can work 3 jobs instead of 2 to pay for microwaved food, that's not the end game. > This is why I'm being a smart ass and why it's so frustrating to listen to excuses. No, you are a smart ass because you are riding the personal responsibility trope to ignore fuck tons of external and internal reasons for why people are not robots and don't follow the perfect diet and lifestyle recipes. That's a simplistic nickelodeon outlook that helps no one. One day you'll bump into a wall and maybe you'll realize your belief that your mind is free and your body a dumb machine to program to overcome anything is bullshit, like your stance that "we are all free so everything is our fault and anyone can do anything if only they apply themselves" is bullshit as well. > You obviously see a problem in one our biggest industries. Go disrupt it. Do something about it. What a stupid and empty edge lord counter argument is this ? Too busy working on climate change at the moment [0] if you want to know it all. > No one is going to pay you to complain. If you could stop complaining about "people's excuses" as well that'd be even better. [0] For real. And big food industries is part of this problem and we are trying to tackle it at work. edit: dammit, I'll even play along: > Then go innovate in that area. Find ways to reduce cost and time prep through new technology and business models. What makes you think faster to cook or even healthier food can beat billions of €/$ poured in advertising and marketing at scale ? It's not working, that's the reality, that's the facts, this is the environment your purely intellectual vision of the problem doesn't want to account for. Because it's easier to say "people are free so it's their fault" than admit "hey... that world is surprisingly hard to model and predict and understand, lots of things going on and parameters interacting with each other here...".