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As much as I dislike this practice, I can at least partially defend it by being as close to instant as possible. It does not make it any less upsetting, but, sa

As much as I dislike this practice, I can at least partially defend it by being as close to instant as possible. It does not make it any less upsetting, but, sadly, some animals suffer worse fates.

gjsman-1000 4y ago
Also worth remembering that nature is a cruel mistress to animals herself. Heck, animals can be pretty cruel to other animals even if they don't kill them. Heck, animals can be cruel to their own species (see adult male bears happily devouring their young if possible).
- prteja11 4y ago
  We are bringing millions and billions of these animals to life. Stating that they face similar or worse fate in nature is not realistic as they wouldn’t exist in the first place.
Dylan16807 4y ago
I need you to explain how that doesn't make it less upsetting. Or, to word it the other way around, how it wouldn't be more upsetting if it was slow. Is that line hyperbole so you don't sound callous?
- short_sells_poo 4y ago
  There is a limit to the amount of upset one can feel before it either becomes debilitating or certain sub-conscious self-preservation mechanisms kick in and dial down the empathy. Unbelievable cruelties are happening all over the world at this very second. All of them are bad, and trying to grade them is a grotesque affair with no good outcome. If I tried to subject myself to upset over all of them, I'd do nothing but sink into non-stop depression. I propose a charitable reading of parent: they are upset about the practice and don't condone or support it in any way, but when it comes to some ladder of priorities in solving the most dire issues of the world, there are sadly bigger cruelties committed on animals than this. All of it needs solving, but given limited resources we still need to (sadly) pick the bigger evil?
  - Dylan16807 4y ago
    > There is a limit to the amount of upset one can feel before it either becomes debilitating or certain sub-conscious self-preservation mechanisms kick in and dial down the empathy. I wouldn't personally say the chicken grinder gets anywhere near the level of debilitating upset. I'm easily more upset by very poor housing for farm animals, for example. > Unbelievable cruelties are happening all over the world > some ladder of priorities But the comparison wasn't to other issues in the world by my reading. It was specifically about how this machine works versus what someone's initial impression might be.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
  Hmm. I think you may have misread my comment, but lets go over it just in case. << It does not make it any less upsetting, but, sadly, some animals suffer worse fates. My interpretation: It is upsetting. Some things are more upsetting ( for example, your example of it being more upsetting if it was slow ). I am not sure if your characterization of my comment is fair or accurate.
  - Dylan16807 4y ago
    My interpretation was that "It" referred to the previous sentence about it being close to instant. If "It" was talking about other animals, then I retract my comment.

As much as I dislike this practice, I can at least partially defend it by being as close to instant as possible. It does not make it any less upsetting, but, sadly, some animals suffer worse fates.

gjsman-1000 4y ago

Also worth remembering that nature is a cruel mistress to animals herself. Heck, animals can be pretty cruel to other animals even if they don't kill them. Heck, animals can be cruel to their own species (see adult male bears happily devouring their young if possible).

prteja11 4y ago
We are bringing millions and billions of these animals to life. Stating that they face similar or worse fate in nature is not realistic as they wouldn’t exist in the first place.

Dylan16807 4y ago

I need you to explain how that doesn't make it less upsetting. Or, to word it the other way around, how it wouldn't be more upsetting if it was slow. Is that line hyperbole so you don't sound callous?

short_sells_poo 4y ago
There is a limit to the amount of upset one can feel before it either becomes debilitating or certain sub-conscious self-preservation mechanisms kick in and dial down the empathy. Unbelievable cruelties are happening all over the world at this very second. All of them are bad, and trying to grade them is a grotesque affair with no good outcome. If I tried to subject myself to upset over all of them, I'd do nothing but sink into non-stop depression. I propose a charitable reading of parent: they are upset about the practice and don't condone or support it in any way, but when it comes to some ladder of priorities in solving the most dire issues of the world, there are sadly bigger cruelties committed on animals than this. All of it needs solving, but given limited resources we still need to (sadly) pick the bigger evil?
- Dylan16807 4y ago
  > There is a limit to the amount of upset one can feel before it either becomes debilitating or certain sub-conscious self-preservation mechanisms kick in and dial down the empathy. I wouldn't personally say the chicken grinder gets anywhere near the level of debilitating upset. I'm easily more upset by very poor housing for farm animals, for example. > Unbelievable cruelties are happening all over the world > some ladder of priorities But the comparison wasn't to other issues in the world by my reading. It was specifically about how this machine works versus what someone's initial impression might be.
A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
Hmm. I think you may have misread my comment, but lets go over it just in case. << It does not make it any less upsetting, but, sadly, some animals suffer worse fates. My interpretation: It is upsetting. Some things are more upsetting ( for example, your example of it being more upsetting if it was slow ). I am not sure if your characterization of my comment is fair or accurate.
- Dylan16807 4y ago
  My interpretation was that "It" referred to the previous sentence about it being close to instant. If "It" was talking about other animals, then I retract my comment.