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While I want monopoly companies to screw themselves. I don't like EU attitude to want to rule over foreign companies arbitrarily, it's a call to the colonial ti

While I want monopoly companies to screw themselves. I don't like EU attitude to want to rule over foreign companies arbitrarily, it's a call to the colonial times when Europe wanted to make the world follow their rule and serve them.

albertopv 4y ago
Ironic, considering US companies must provide their data to US gov even for non US persons or clients, and that's why Google and MS services are deemed illegal in many EU countries. BTW, no foreign company is forced to operate in Europe.
m3drano 4y ago
These companies may not serve the European market. It's not mandatory.
- onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
  More importantly, it doesn't say: "You CANNOT serve the European market if you don't do x, y, and z globally." It just says what you have to do for European users.
jjevanoorschot 4y ago
> I don't like EU attitude to want to rule over foreign companies arbitrarily The EU wants to regulate its own internal market. Companies can choose to be active in that market.
drooopy 4y ago
The EU government is simply laying the ground rules as to how businesses should operate inside the EU single market. They're not forcing Apple to change its business practices anywhere else in the world, as far as I understand. And Apple is free to leave the European market, if they do not like those conditions. Personally, as a consumer, I welcome this. And I hope that they don't just end at Apple. Google and Microsoft oughta be next.
- bkettle 4y ago
  Isn’t this sort of like saying that Apple is just dictating how developers should operate when creating apps for their phones? If developers don’t want to use the App Store, they are free to leave the market of Apple consumers.
CrypticShift 4y ago
> I don't like EU attitude to want to rule over foreign companies arbitrarily I agree in principle. How could they balance that force, without arbitrarily ruling over foreign companies? I don’t know. Maybe clarify what is "arbitrarily”?
- Swenrekcah 4y ago
  The whole premise is simply wrong. The EU is setting rules for enterprises operating within their borders. Those that wish to operate must comply, others not.
  - CrypticShift 4y ago
    > Those that wish to operate must comply Well, that is exactly the effective force I'm talking about. Can you imagine Apple not operating in Europe? However, this is "legal" authority. I'm trying to discuss the more subtle moral authority: Many even inside the continent, do not accept the moral authority of the EU. and they also use that "arbitrarily" word to justify their claims. So why not discuss that word in detail ? I’m not for downvoting replies to death. I’m more for letting people define their words better. It sometimes works. Sometimes.
    - jsnell 4y ago
      > Can you imagine Apple not operating in Europe? Sure, we do after all have the example of some (non-Apple) companies not operating in China, a similarly important market. If Apple really believe their own rhetoric about how the only way to protect their users is for Apple to control the experience, they'll pull out of Europe rather than compromise on their users' security.
      - CrypticShift 4y ago
        Europe is not China. I just talked about how this is about moral authority VS legal one. Here it is about commercial markets VS cultural centres. Europe is not just a market. Europe is the (historical) centre of the western world. I don't think big tech can/want to leave it. If they say so, IMO they are just bluffing.
aussiesnack 4y ago
The list of nations that don't regulate how foreign companies operate within their own borders would be .. what?
- ben_w 4y ago
  Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland. But only because the UK is weird and insists it’s four nations. (And England kinda speaks for all of them for this kind of thing).
  - aussiesnack 4y ago
    Well in the proper sense the EU isn't a nation in any case. I was being loose about the governmental level at which regulation of foreign entities take place, which I think is fine for a HN comment! > And England kinda speaks for all of them for this kind of thing Well yes, it's 4 nations, except that England doesn't believe in the other 3 ;) Though it's only just coming to terms with the self-existence of most of the old Empire for that matter. Writing as someone who was born in the least likeable of the UK nations (England), and has lived in all but Wales.
flumpcakes 4y ago
The EU passes laws to protect it's own citizens. If you don't want to follow these laws, then don't sell products to the EU. It's that simple really. Comparing it to "colonial times" is pretty egregious.
ako 4y ago
Any company that wants to do business in the EU has to comply with European rules, and their products have to comply with European guidelines. Electronics, cars, food, everything had to comply to rules. This includes antitrust policies.

albertopv 4y ago

Ironic, considering US companies must provide their data to US gov even for non US persons or clients, and that's why Google and MS services are deemed illegal in many EU countries. BTW, no foreign company is forced to operate in Europe.

m3drano 4y ago

These companies may not serve the European market. It's not mandatory.

onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
More importantly, it doesn't say: "You CANNOT serve the European market if you don't do x, y, and z globally." It just says what you have to do for European users.

jjevanoorschot 4y ago

> I don't like EU attitude to want to rule over foreign companies arbitrarily The EU wants to regulate its own internal market. Companies can choose to be active in that market.

drooopy 4y ago

The EU government is simply laying the ground rules as to how businesses should operate inside the EU single market. They're not forcing Apple to change its business practices anywhere else in the world, as far as I understand. And Apple is free to leave the European market, if they do not like those conditions. Personally, as a consumer, I welcome this. And I hope that they don't just end at Apple. Google and Microsoft oughta be next.

bkettle 4y ago
Isn’t this sort of like saying that Apple is just dictating how developers should operate when creating apps for their phones? If developers don’t want to use the App Store, they are free to leave the market of Apple consumers.

CrypticShift 4y ago

> I don't like EU attitude to want to rule over foreign companies arbitrarily I agree in principle. How could they balance that force, without arbitrarily ruling over foreign companies? I don’t know. Maybe clarify what is "arbitrarily”?

Swenrekcah 4y ago
The whole premise is simply wrong. The EU is setting rules for enterprises operating within their borders. Those that wish to operate must comply, others not.
- CrypticShift 4y ago
  > Those that wish to operate must comply Well, that is exactly the effective force I'm talking about. Can you imagine Apple not operating in Europe? However, this is "legal" authority. I'm trying to discuss the more subtle moral authority: Many even inside the continent, do not accept the moral authority of the EU. and they also use that "arbitrarily" word to justify their claims. So why not discuss that word in detail ? I’m not for downvoting replies to death. I’m more for letting people define their words better. It sometimes works. Sometimes.
  - jsnell 4y ago
    > Can you imagine Apple not operating in Europe? Sure, we do after all have the example of some (non-Apple) companies not operating in China, a similarly important market. If Apple really believe their own rhetoric about how the only way to protect their users is for Apple to control the experience, they'll pull out of Europe rather than compromise on their users' security.
    - CrypticShift 4y ago
      Europe is not China. I just talked about how this is about moral authority VS legal one. Here it is about commercial markets VS cultural centres. Europe is not just a market. Europe is the (historical) centre of the western world. I don't think big tech can/want to leave it. If they say so, IMO they are just bluffing.

aussiesnack 4y ago

The list of nations that don't regulate how foreign companies operate within their own borders would be .. what?

ben_w 4y ago
Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland. But only because the UK is weird and insists it’s four nations. (And England kinda speaks for all of them for this kind of thing).
- aussiesnack 4y ago
  Well in the proper sense the EU isn't a nation in any case. I was being loose about the governmental level at which regulation of foreign entities take place, which I think is fine for a HN comment! > And England kinda speaks for all of them for this kind of thing Well yes, it's 4 nations, except that England doesn't believe in the other 3 ;) Though it's only just coming to terms with the self-existence of most of the old Empire for that matter. Writing as someone who was born in the least likeable of the UK nations (England), and has lived in all but Wales.

flumpcakes 4y ago

The EU passes laws to protect it's own citizens. If you don't want to follow these laws, then don't sell products to the EU. It's that simple really. Comparing it to "colonial times" is pretty egregious.

ako 4y ago

Any company that wants to do business in the EU has to comply with European rules, and their products have to comply with European guidelines. Electronics, cars, food, everything had to comply to rules. This includes antitrust policies.