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If that's true, then didn't the cold war of banning each other's apps start when China banned youtube, facebook, instagram, google, twitter, whatsapp, snapchat,

If that's true, then didn't the cold war of banning each other's apps start when China banned youtube, facebook, instagram, google, twitter, whatsapp, snapchat, amazon, messenger, and twitch, just to name a few?

KaoruAoiShiho 4y ago
Google and FB famously pulled out, if they didn't they would still be there. It's the US that is stopping google, etc from operating there, remember project dragonfly that the prevented from going into china? Amazon is doing decently there currently.
- mannerheim 4y ago
  Multiple lies. Google was banned after they decided to stop censoring searches. Facebook was banned after they refused to provide the government the identities of protestors in Urumqi. Google cancelled Dragonfly after outcry from their employees.
  - KaoruAoiShiho 4y ago
    What? How are they lies, they were operating fine until they decided to not follow the laws one day. That was their prerogative and not the CCP deciding to block them from the market. Unless you can point to laws tiktok is violating it's not a remotely comparable situation. The way that Chinese companies work they explicitly create distinct entities that can meet the requirements of any territories that they operate in.
    - mannerheim 4y ago
      Because they didn't 'pull out', they were banned. And Dragonfly wasn't stopped by the US, it was cancelled by Google after their employees protested. Anyway, if Google and Facebook need to follow censorship laws in China, then maybe TikTok needs to follow not-being-based-in-China laws in the US. After all, they can't just decide not to follow the laws.
      - KaoruAoiShiho 4y ago
        Are there such laws? So the idea isn't reciprocal after all, it's to entirely target one country's companies. https://www.thatsmags.com/china/post/32153/this-day-in-history-google-announces-exit-from-china-market https://www.thatsmags.com/china/post/32153/this-day-in-histo... Dragonfly was stopped after pressure from Americans, both civil and political pressure.
        mannerheim 4y ago
        That's what this law is about. > In 2018, media reports that Google was working on a prototype for another censored Chinese search engine surfaced, which was met with backlash from some Google employees. The development, called ‘Project Dragonfly,’ was shortly after suspended, according to The Intercept. The US government did not force Google to stop Dragonfly.
        KaoruAoiShiho 4y ago
        Congress called multiple hearings on Dragonfly and many politicians criticized it. China only ever enforced its consistent censorship policies without targeting any foreign company. Doing this you would admit is an aggressive move to target a Chinese company rather than a reciprocal action as the parent insinuated.
        mannerheim 4y ago
        In other words, nobody forced Google to cancel Dragonfly. If China can enforce a censorship policy, America can enforce a consistent not-based-in-China policy.
        KaoruAoiShiho 4y ago
        I'll stick with my formulation of politicians in the US forced China to end Dragonfly, thanks. America can do anything it wants, I just wanted to dispute the idea that it would be a reciprocal action. I think it would be a pretty big uncalled for escalation.
    - bioemerl 4y ago
      If you think Google and basically every other Western tech company choose to leave China on a whim despite massive profit that could be made I have a few crypto exchanges for you to deposit your money in. "They weren't following the law" The law: "You have to give a chinese company all your technology and 51 percent ownership" China is a flat out enemy of the United States. We should treat TikTok as an arm of that enemy as a result of how China demands state control over every company operating in the country.
      - KaoruAoiShiho 4y ago
        That's flat out false, there are no such demands. You should actually look these things up instead of listening to reductive memes. The joint venture system was an anti-colonial idea that was proposed first by the US. It only ever applied to specific strategic industries like banking and autos. Tech companies like Microsoft, apple, etc wholly own their subsidiaries in China.
        mannerheim 4y ago
        Tech subsidiaries like AMD?
        KaoruAoiShiho 4y ago
        ? Don't understand what you're saying, is it related to my comment?
        mannerheim 4y ago
        ARM China, pardon me.
        KaoruAoiShiho 4y ago
        What about it? It was wholly owned until Softbank decided to sell half of it in 2018. You can just google this. Now it's wholly owned again after the whole kerfuffle.

KaoruAoiShiho 4y ago

Google and FB famously pulled out, if they didn't they would still be there. It's the US that is stopping google, etc from operating there, remember project dragonfly that the prevented from going into china? Amazon is doing decently there currently.

mannerheim 4y ago
Multiple lies. Google was banned after they decided to stop censoring searches. Facebook was banned after they refused to provide the government the identities of protestors in Urumqi. Google cancelled Dragonfly after outcry from their employees.
- KaoruAoiShiho 4y ago
  What? How are they lies, they were operating fine until they decided to not follow the laws one day. That was their prerogative and not the CCP deciding to block them from the market. Unless you can point to laws tiktok is violating it's not a remotely comparable situation. The way that Chinese companies work they explicitly create distinct entities that can meet the requirements of any territories that they operate in.
  - mannerheim 4y ago
    Because they didn't 'pull out', they were banned. And Dragonfly wasn't stopped by the US, it was cancelled by Google after their employees protested. Anyway, if Google and Facebook need to follow censorship laws in China, then maybe TikTok needs to follow not-being-based-in-China laws in the US. After all, they can't just decide not to follow the laws.
    - KaoruAoiShiho 4y ago
      Are there such laws? So the idea isn't reciprocal after all, it's to entirely target one country's companies. https://www.thatsmags.com/china/post/32153/this-day-in-history-google-announces-exit-from-china-market https://www.thatsmags.com/china/post/32153/this-day-in-histo... Dragonfly was stopped after pressure from Americans, both civil and political pressure.
      - mannerheim 4y ago
        That's what this law is about. > In 2018, media reports that Google was working on a prototype for another censored Chinese search engine surfaced, which was met with backlash from some Google employees. The development, called ‘Project Dragonfly,’ was shortly after suspended, according to The Intercept. The US government did not force Google to stop Dragonfly.
        KaoruAoiShiho 4y ago
        Congress called multiple hearings on Dragonfly and many politicians criticized it. China only ever enforced its consistent censorship policies without targeting any foreign company. Doing this you would admit is an aggressive move to target a Chinese company rather than a reciprocal action as the parent insinuated.
        mannerheim 4y ago
        In other words, nobody forced Google to cancel Dragonfly. If China can enforce a censorship policy, America can enforce a consistent not-based-in-China policy.
        KaoruAoiShiho 4y ago
        I'll stick with my formulation of politicians in the US forced China to end Dragonfly, thanks. America can do anything it wants, I just wanted to dispute the idea that it would be a reciprocal action. I think it would be a pretty big uncalled for escalation.
  - bioemerl 4y ago
    If you think Google and basically every other Western tech company choose to leave China on a whim despite massive profit that could be made I have a few crypto exchanges for you to deposit your money in. "They weren't following the law" The law: "You have to give a chinese company all your technology and 51 percent ownership" China is a flat out enemy of the United States. We should treat TikTok as an arm of that enemy as a result of how China demands state control over every company operating in the country.
    - KaoruAoiShiho 4y ago
      That's flat out false, there are no such demands. You should actually look these things up instead of listening to reductive memes. The joint venture system was an anti-colonial idea that was proposed first by the US. It only ever applied to specific strategic industries like banking and autos. Tech companies like Microsoft, apple, etc wholly own their subsidiaries in China.
      - mannerheim 4y ago
        Tech subsidiaries like AMD?
        KaoruAoiShiho 4y ago
        ? Don't understand what you're saying, is it related to my comment?
        mannerheim 4y ago
        ARM China, pardon me.
        KaoruAoiShiho 4y ago
        What about it? It was wholly owned until Softbank decided to sell half of it in 2018. You can just google this. Now it's wholly owned again after the whole kerfuffle.