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Because not every violation has bad intentions, so why not be polite? And folks at startups are usually wearing multiple hats. They might not have a VP of Recr

by awb 4y ago

Because not every violation has bad intentions, so why not be polite? And folks at startups are usually wearing multiple hats. They might not have a VP of Recruiting/HR/Legal on board that knows all applicable federal/state/city laws. It might be a SWE posting these jobs.

gregjor 4y ago
They might not have four employees yet. They might not have any employees in NYC yet. Either of those conditions would exempt them from the NYC law. I wouldn't jump to assuming deliberate illegal behavior. The NYC law went into effect last month, and waives the penalty for first offenses to give companies time to comply. If I saw a NYC-based job posting with no salary I would give the benefit of the doubt at least.
- alexiaa 4y ago
  why does not having any nyc employees yet exempt them if they are hiring nyc-based people?
  - gregjor 4y ago
    The official explanation* of the law reads: > All employers that have four or more employees or one or more domestic workers are covered by the NYCHRL, including this new provision of the law. As with other provisions of the NYCHRL, owners and individual employers count towards the four employees. The four employees do not need to work in the same location, and they do not need to all work in New York City. As long as one of the employees works in New York City, the workplace is covered. I don't have a law degree, but I read that as the law only applies if the company currently has at least four employees, one of which "works in New York City." If a company intends to hire someone in NYC but has no employees there yet the law wouldn't apply to them yet, probably because NYC wouldn't have jurisdiction without a nexus in the city. * https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/cchr/downloads/pdf/publications/Salary-Transparency-Factsheet.pdf https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/cchr/downloads/pdf/publications/...
CJefferson 4y ago
In my experience the police aren't polite when people are breaking laws, so I don't see why I should hold companies to a lower standard than my fellow citizens.

by awb 4y ago

gregjor 4y ago

They might not have four employees yet. They might not have any employees in NYC yet. Either of those conditions would exempt them from the NYC law. I wouldn't jump to assuming deliberate illegal behavior. The NYC law went into effect last month, and waives the penalty for first offenses to give companies time to comply. If I saw a NYC-based job posting with no salary I would give the benefit of the doubt at least.

alexiaa 4y ago
why does not having any nyc employees yet exempt them if they are hiring nyc-based people?
- gregjor 4y ago
  The official explanation* of the law reads: > All employers that have four or more employees or one or more domestic workers are covered by the NYCHRL, including this new provision of the law. As with other provisions of the NYCHRL, owners and individual employers count towards the four employees. The four employees do not need to work in the same location, and they do not need to all work in New York City. As long as one of the employees works in New York City, the workplace is covered. I don't have a law degree, but I read that as the law only applies if the company currently has at least four employees, one of which "works in New York City." If a company intends to hire someone in NYC but has no employees there yet the law wouldn't apply to them yet, probably because NYC wouldn't have jurisdiction without a nexus in the city. * https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/cchr/downloads/pdf/publications/Salary-Transparency-Factsheet.pdf https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/cchr/downloads/pdf/publications/...

CJefferson 4y ago

In my experience the police aren't polite when people are breaking laws, so I don't see why I should hold companies to a lower standard than my fellow citizens.