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"Spend money like it's your own." It isn't and you can't put savings from enduring discomfort in your retirement account or forgo your holiday for additional co
by harry8 4y ago
"Spend money like it's your own." It isn't and you can't put savings from enduring discomfort in your retirement account or forgo your holiday for additional comfort now.
There is a reason we like rules, policies and principles written down and enforced as written.
"There are no rules" With suggestions of "values" or whatever in place means you can't know in advance what an infraction is and you can be punished in an entirely unjust fashion with no recourse beyond appeal to those higher castes. This is a normal course of events in humans organised under a regime known as a dictatorship. Be it a smallish company or a country.
In a small organisation it really can work with little to no abuse. The larger the organisation gets the more horrible it generally becomes. At the country level it is essentially universally horrific for those who have to live subject to it. (Debate Singapore elsewhere, it's not interesting here).
The rule of law is a good thing. Being friends with the right people making what one person can do wildly different to another sucks very hard.
The flip side to note is that you can't make a bad employee (usually a manager) a good one by making policy pronouncements. You can't make (necessary) social norms accepted and socially enforced and adhered to by passing rules.
"We have no rules" presented as a positive for any community is a statement one should immediately be concerned about and consider its implications. It's up there with "There is no set amount of annual leave - take what you need" It just isn't at all likely to work in your favour unless you've decided you're short term and game it and even then it miraculously probably won't be approved or paid before you are cut for trying to actually take a reasonable amount.
Does anyone like HR and think of the HR dept. as a positive who doesn't work in HR? They're the pointy end of nastiness who are absolutely not on the side of anyone who is abused by someone senior. How's Harvey Weinstein's HR dept doing?
- dangus 4y ago“Spend money like it’s your own” “I like spending all the money I have. Every dollar left unspent represents labor that has been given away without enjoying the fruits of that labor. If I die I won’t take any money with me.” “You’re fired, you’re not a good fit.” “You fired me for discriminatory purposes and used your intentionally vague travel and expense policy as an excuse, I’m suing you.” I see 100 person startups with policies like this, not major corporations like Gitlab. Yikes.
- t8sr 4y agoMeh, it worked at Google for a really long time, and only broke down around 50,000 employees. "Spend money like it's your own" was literally in the T&E policy and people understood it to mean "be reasonable, but also don't be miserable." I agree some amount of clear rules is good and keeps you from guessing, but the article says that the policy goes on to cover those, so what's the problem? Not every employee-employer relationship is adversarial, no matter how much HN wants to believe it is. (Although, I grant you, beyond a certain size it tends to become adversarial.)