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Twitter Dissolves Trust and Safety Council, Yoel Roth Flees Home

63 points by tysone 4y ago

bitlax 4y ago
- Jerkcity101 4y ago
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braingenious 4y ago
https://archive.vn/X30Se https://archive.vn/X30Se
infamouscow 4y ago
- a-lex 4y ago
Andaith 4y ago
> Twitter on Monday night abruptly dissolved its Trust and Safety Council, the latest sign that Elon Musk is unraveling years of work and institutions created to make the social network safer and more civil. Isn't it these sorts of institutions and functions that differentiate Twitter from Parler or 4Chan or other websites, as far as advertisers are concerned?
adhdguy 4y ago
- a-lex 4y ago
- archagon 4y ago
  Yours is a bully mentality.
  - adhdguy 4y ago
    Not wanting to be manipulated = bullying?
    - archagon 4y ago
      What makes you so sure you are being manipulated? And what makes you think he wants to be a public figure in the first place?
      - adhdguy 4y ago
        The fact that he was the former head of Twitter's censorship operation, that he publicly attacks Elon Musk while wrapping himself in the prestige of his former position, and that he likes to go on stage and talk about his former job. Anyway, not sure what him wanting to be a public figure or not, even though he does, has anything to do with it. My point is just that because he is a public figure at this point, death threats are unfortunately expected. As the former head of Twitter Trust and Safety, he knows that too. So his decision to make a media story out of it is in all likelihood nothing more than him trying to get a favorable news cycle out of it.
- simplotek 4y ago
  You created this user account explicitly to downplay someone for running for their life with blurbs like "everyone gets death threats"?
  - adhdguy 4y ago
    - encryptluks2 4y ago
      No they don't. You know media stories can also lead the perpetrator's friends and family to report them realizing how serious the crime is.
      - adhdguy 4y ago
        Yes they do.
gsatic 4y ago
Hardly matters what both sides do when Everything is built on top of collecting Likes and Followers. Thats the fundamental bug. You can build a giant fractal based on simple rules and endless repetition. But who has control over the shape? People on both sides are forgetting that. Both sides act as if the only thing that matters is proving the other side wrong. While that drama unfolds
Balgair 4y ago
Was the board perfect? Was it better than no board? Was it's purpose for the users or the advertisers? Look, sure, yeah, Elon could still save this. But the odds are bad and getting worse every day. He's down by 21 with 6 minutes left. Sure, it could happen, it would be a hell of a game if he did. But it's getting late, the air is cold, beer's closed up, and leaving now means you can beat traffic a bit. Oops, looks like he just got sacked again and is yelling at his O-line. It's time to call it a game.
hanklazard 4y ago
“…the Twitter Files, a series of tweets by conservative journalists Matt Taibbi and Bari Weiss.” Two interesting moves to observe here: 1. Matt Taibbi is not a conservative and anyone who is at all familiar with him or his work knows he is left-leaning. Calling him a conservative is a signal to their audience that he is one of the “bad guys.” 2. Calling this reporting “a series of tweets” is not false but is subtly demeaning to the work. It’s not an “article” (it is also being published in long-form) or “reporting”, just a little series of tweets … you know, like what you do when you’re mad about the rude barista that ruined your latte or something.
- a-lex 4y ago
- grappler 4y ago
  he may have been left leaning before but that label seems debatable at best for the last couple years https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/10/what-happened-to-matt-taibbi.html
  - parineum 4y ago
    "left-leaning" and "Democrat" aren't synonymous. What are his right wing views? And don't conflate "right-wing" with things that Replublicans support.
    - ss108 4y ago
      This is a pretty gaslighty comment. Clearly Democrats are left wing and Republicans are right wing, and ppl who are on those wings tend to vote for those respective parties. Are Democrats super far left? Not by international standards, no, but they are clearly to the left of Republicans.
      - parineum 4y ago
        > Clearly Democrats are left wing and Republicans are right wing Mostly. > ppl who are on those wings tend to vote for those respective parties Tend to but not always. Would a person who supports Universal healthcare, safe access to abortion and reducing their carbon foot print but also thinks immigration is an issue that needs addressing and supports the second amendment be left or right? Individuals are rarely going to fall in line and Taibi is no exception. > This is a pretty gaslighty comment. The narrative is that he's moved right somehow. I just want to know how. I'm sure if you asked him he'd say that the "left" has moved right and his opinion, that the left used to support, hasn't changed. If someone's going to say he's "moved right", I assume they have some reason to say that so I just want to know how, because I'm not sure if I see it (but I'm not intimately familiar with his positions). I don't believe Taibi has changed much at all, I think the a segment of the people who consider themselves "left" in the US have taken positions on some topics that he disagrees with and since he's being critical of them, he must be the opposite of them. Since they view themselves as "left", he must be "right" (and even worse, "far-right"!). He's not "moved right" because he's suddenly agreeing with Republicans, he's "moved right" because he's being critical of the "left".

63 points by tysone 4y ago

bitlax 4y ago

Jerkcity101 4y ago
[dead]

braingenious 4y ago

https://archive.vn/X30Se https://archive.vn/X30Se

infamouscow 4y ago

a-lex 4y ago

Andaith 4y ago

> Twitter on Monday night abruptly dissolved its Trust and Safety Council, the latest sign that Elon Musk is unraveling years of work and institutions created to make the social network safer and more civil. Isn't it these sorts of institutions and functions that differentiate Twitter from Parler or 4Chan or other websites, as far as advertisers are concerned?

adhdguy 4y ago

a-lex 4y ago
archagon 4y ago
Yours is a bully mentality.
- adhdguy 4y ago
  Not wanting to be manipulated = bullying?
  - archagon 4y ago
    What makes you so sure you are being manipulated? And what makes you think he wants to be a public figure in the first place?
    - adhdguy 4y ago
      The fact that he was the former head of Twitter's censorship operation, that he publicly attacks Elon Musk while wrapping himself in the prestige of his former position, and that he likes to go on stage and talk about his former job. Anyway, not sure what him wanting to be a public figure or not, even though he does, has anything to do with it. My point is just that because he is a public figure at this point, death threats are unfortunately expected. As the former head of Twitter Trust and Safety, he knows that too. So his decision to make a media story out of it is in all likelihood nothing more than him trying to get a favorable news cycle out of it.
simplotek 4y ago
You created this user account explicitly to downplay someone for running for their life with blurbs like "everyone gets death threats"?
- adhdguy 4y ago
  - encryptluks2 4y ago
    No they don't. You know media stories can also lead the perpetrator's friends and family to report them realizing how serious the crime is.
    - adhdguy 4y ago
      Yes they do.

gsatic 4y ago

Hardly matters what both sides do when Everything is built on top of collecting Likes and Followers. Thats the fundamental bug. You can build a giant fractal based on simple rules and endless repetition. But who has control over the shape? People on both sides are forgetting that. Both sides act as if the only thing that matters is proving the other side wrong. While that drama unfolds

Balgair 4y ago

Was the board perfect? Was it better than no board? Was it's purpose for the users or the advertisers? Look, sure, yeah, Elon could still save this. But the odds are bad and getting worse every day. He's down by 21 with 6 minutes left. Sure, it could happen, it would be a hell of a game if he did. But it's getting late, the air is cold, beer's closed up, and leaving now means you can beat traffic a bit. Oops, looks like he just got sacked again and is yelling at his O-line. It's time to call it a game.

hanklazard 4y ago

“…the Twitter Files, a series of tweets by conservative journalists Matt Taibbi and Bari Weiss.” Two interesting moves to observe here: 1. Matt Taibbi is not a conservative and anyone who is at all familiar with him or his work knows he is left-leaning. Calling him a conservative is a signal to their audience that he is one of the “bad guys.” 2. Calling this reporting “a series of tweets” is not false but is subtly demeaning to the work. It’s not an “article” (it is also being published in long-form) or “reporting”, just a little series of tweets … you know, like what you do when you’re mad about the rude barista that ruined your latte or something.

a-lex 4y ago
grappler 4y ago
he may have been left leaning before but that label seems debatable at best for the last couple years https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/10/what-happened-to-matt-taibbi.html
- parineum 4y ago
  "left-leaning" and "Democrat" aren't synonymous. What are his right wing views? And don't conflate "right-wing" with things that Replublicans support.
  - ss108 4y ago
    This is a pretty gaslighty comment. Clearly Democrats are left wing and Republicans are right wing, and ppl who are on those wings tend to vote for those respective parties. Are Democrats super far left? Not by international standards, no, but they are clearly to the left of Republicans.
    - parineum 4y ago
      > Clearly Democrats are left wing and Republicans are right wing Mostly. > ppl who are on those wings tend to vote for those respective parties Tend to but not always. Would a person who supports Universal healthcare, safe access to abortion and reducing their carbon foot print but also thinks immigration is an issue that needs addressing and supports the second amendment be left or right? Individuals are rarely going to fall in line and Taibi is no exception. > This is a pretty gaslighty comment. The narrative is that he's moved right somehow. I just want to know how. I'm sure if you asked him he'd say that the "left" has moved right and his opinion, that the left used to support, hasn't changed. If someone's going to say he's "moved right", I assume they have some reason to say that so I just want to know how, because I'm not sure if I see it (but I'm not intimately familiar with his positions). I don't believe Taibi has changed much at all, I think the a segment of the people who consider themselves "left" in the US have taken positions on some topics that he disagrees with and since he's being critical of them, he must be the opposite of them. Since they view themselves as "left", he must be "right" (and even worse, "far-right"!). He's not "moved right" because he's suddenly agreeing with Republicans, he's "moved right" because he's being critical of the "left".