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My first thought was that he's going to have a lot of fun watching "The birth of a nation" and "Song of the south". But more importantly, and more in line with

My first thought was that he's going to have a lot of fun watching "The birth of a nation" and "Song of the south". But more importantly, and more in line with the original intention, from 1999 on there are a lot of sequels. Is he going to watch Kill Bill 2 without seeing the first one? Is he going to skip Harry Potter 2 and 3? Sure, right now this is not going to be a problem, but good luck doing the same experiment in 50 years.

harry8 4y ago
Song of the South rotten tomatoes score 47 https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/song_of_the_south https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/song_of_the_south So why is it on the list at all?
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- jdmtheNth 4y ago
  Because it's entertaining and a classic for kids.
  - harry8 4y ago
    Yeah it may well be. My own mother used to sing me the "zipeddy do dah" song as a very young child. The performance of it in that film is absolutely amazingly fantastic. And it's the only thing I've ever seen of it other than one other lowlight. The talent, charisma, and charm on show in that performance is mind-boggling greatness. The film also has a strong element of pro-slavery propaganda which is kind of why it's quite hard to find and probably why a successful disney flick with one of the great musical performances on film has such a low rotten tomatoes score. So a list has been made of films selecting the top one or two from each year based on highest rotten tomatoes score. But not this film, which has a low score and has some lines in it that maybe some people love but many loathe and detest, including me. Why is this film a special case for the stated rule for selecting these films? Does that pro-slavery element have anything to do with it?
JKCalhoun 4y ago
"The Birth of a Nation" and "The Song of the South" are fair with regard to American history. "The Birth of a Nation" because of the effect it had on the national dialog at the time when it was released. It looks like the only film with Lillian Gish in it on their list as well. "The Song of the South" might be noteworthy simply for Disney's attempt to bury that film in the recent decades. I don't put it in the same category as "The Birth of a Nation" with regard to how offensive it is (although I am not in the demographic that would be personally offended by either). I'm a huge fan of Joel Chandler Harris' original stories — maybe Disney failed by trying to make Harris' works too "Disney".
- yamtaddle 4y ago
  I manage to make it through a lot of movies that might, not unfairly, be described as "so boring I'd rather be at the DMV" or "so confusing I don't think even the director knew WTF was happening". I bailed on Birth of a Nation about halfway through. I can usually suffer through a historically-significant film even if I'm not really loving it (I made it through Battleship Potemkin while hardly enjoying a minute) but Birth was just too much. It wasn't the offensiveness (that can be its own kind of entertaining, in a pinch) but that it was really long, and really dull. Maybe it picked up in the back half, but I doubt I'll ever find out. I'd say the director's sort-of followup Intolerance also counts as a bit of a challenging watch for modern audiences, but I found that one way more fun.

harry8 4y ago

Song of the South rotten tomatoes score 47 https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/song_of_the_south https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/song_of_the_south So why is it on the list at all?

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jdmtheNth 4y ago
Because it's entertaining and a classic for kids.
- harry8 4y ago
  Yeah it may well be. My own mother used to sing me the "zipeddy do dah" song as a very young child. The performance of it in that film is absolutely amazingly fantastic. And it's the only thing I've ever seen of it other than one other lowlight. The talent, charisma, and charm on show in that performance is mind-boggling greatness. The film also has a strong element of pro-slavery propaganda which is kind of why it's quite hard to find and probably why a successful disney flick with one of the great musical performances on film has such a low rotten tomatoes score. So a list has been made of films selecting the top one or two from each year based on highest rotten tomatoes score. But not this film, which has a low score and has some lines in it that maybe some people love but many loathe and detest, including me. Why is this film a special case for the stated rule for selecting these films? Does that pro-slavery element have anything to do with it?

JKCalhoun 4y ago

"The Birth of a Nation" and "The Song of the South" are fair with regard to American history. "The Birth of a Nation" because of the effect it had on the national dialog at the time when it was released. It looks like the only film with Lillian Gish in it on their list as well. "The Song of the South" might be noteworthy simply for Disney's attempt to bury that film in the recent decades. I don't put it in the same category as "The Birth of a Nation" with regard to how offensive it is (although I am not in the demographic that would be personally offended by either). I'm a huge fan of Joel Chandler Harris' original stories — maybe Disney failed by trying to make Harris' works too "Disney".

yamtaddle 4y ago
I manage to make it through a lot of movies that might, not unfairly, be described as "so boring I'd rather be at the DMV" or "so confusing I don't think even the director knew WTF was happening". I bailed on Birth of a Nation about halfway through. I can usually suffer through a historically-significant film even if I'm not really loving it (I made it through Battleship Potemkin while hardly enjoying a minute) but Birth was just too much. It wasn't the offensiveness (that can be its own kind of entertaining, in a pinch) but that it was really long, and really dull. Maybe it picked up in the back half, but I doubt I'll ever find out. I'd say the director's sort-of followup Intolerance also counts as a bit of a challenging watch for modern audiences, but I found that one way more fun.