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I've never had that happen to me in 20+ years of using and updating Windows. I suspected it's an urban legend but when a friend told me they experienced it with

I've never had that happen to me in 20+ years of using and updating Windows. I suspected it's an urban legend but when a friend told me they experienced it with a feature update in Windows 11 I inquired further: It turns out during the first startup after a feature update in Windows 11 (and 10) they sometimes show a bunch of new prompts, one of which is a very vague text with a big (default) "Recommended Settings" and a very small, differently rendered cancellation. If you're one of the folks that just presses next / enter through a wizard without reading the instructions (which my friend was), you might have accidentally applied the "Recommended Settings". And -of course- switching the browser to Edge is "recommended" by Microsoft. Shitty dark pattern for sure but at least not forced settings change (yet).

chii 4y ago
describing it as forced is certainly technically wrong, but the results is no different. MS should not have done it, and the fact that they used a dark pattern to achieve it is not better than forcefully doing it!
Forge36 4y ago
I've never had it happen. The number of dark patterns trying to convince me to switch is infuriating. Major update "required sign in", defender "unsafe system state". I'm sure I've reset things accidentally and forgotten with it
everybodyknows 4y ago
To thoroughly exercise the old dark-pattern detection skills, I highly recommend a long day dodging the "upgrade invitations" in Turbotax.
auxbuss 4y ago
Let me present a counterpoint. I have two Apple machines. One is old and stuck on Catalina – three iterations behind the current macOS [Catalina -> Big Sur -> Monterey -> Ventura] – so for a long while I kept both on Catalina to avoid issues. Sadly, the older machine died a few weeks ago, so I decided to update the other machine to Monterey (because Ventura is still in the teething-troubles phase). Now I get about 9 Mbps here, so I started the upgrade before bed, and left it overnight to do its thing. Next day I was presented with the garish boot Monterey boot-screen and logged in. That’s it. This is a boring story. There were a few small cosmetic differences, but otherwise everything was just as it was before. No clicks required. No dark patterns. Dare I say: it just worked. There’s no reason Microsoft, or any other company, can’t do this. It’s simply respecting the user/customer. I left the Microsoft universe about a decade ago simply because it felt too stressful. Nothing was concrete. It felt like the sand was always shifting beneath you. I have no love of Apple – I’ll move if they start playing games – but for now, they do most things – far from everything – well, and I never feel disrespected, even if my wallet is somewhat lighter every now and then.

chii 4y ago

describing it as forced is certainly technically wrong, but the results is no different. MS should not have done it, and the fact that they used a dark pattern to achieve it is not better than forcefully doing it!

Forge36 4y ago

I've never had it happen. The number of dark patterns trying to convince me to switch is infuriating. Major update "required sign in", defender "unsafe system state". I'm sure I've reset things accidentally and forgotten with it

everybodyknows 4y ago

To thoroughly exercise the old dark-pattern detection skills, I highly recommend a long day dodging the "upgrade invitations" in Turbotax.

auxbuss 4y ago

Let me present a counterpoint. I have two Apple machines. One is old and stuck on Catalina – three iterations behind the current macOS [Catalina -> Big Sur -> Monterey -> Ventura] – so for a long while I kept both on Catalina to avoid issues. Sadly, the older machine died a few weeks ago, so I decided to update the other machine to Monterey (because Ventura is still in the teething-troubles phase). Now I get about 9 Mbps here, so I started the upgrade before bed, and left it overnight to do its thing. Next day I was presented with the garish boot Monterey boot-screen and logged in. That’s it. This is a boring story. There were a few small cosmetic differences, but otherwise everything was just as it was before. No clicks required. No dark patterns. Dare I say: it just worked. There’s no reason Microsoft, or any other company, can’t do this. It’s simply respecting the user/customer. I left the Microsoft universe about a decade ago simply because it felt too stressful. Nothing was concrete. It felt like the sand was always shifting beneath you. I have no love of Apple – I’ll move if they start playing games – but for now, they do most things – far from everything – well, and I never feel disrespected, even if my wallet is somewhat lighter every now and then.