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It's truly crazy to me how quickly pricing has ramped up especially in EVs. Imagine telling someone 10 years ago that people would line up to buy a $60k Hyunda

It's truly crazy to me how quickly pricing has ramped up especially in EVs. Imagine telling someone 10 years ago that people would line up to buy a $60k Hyundai EV, or $80k on a luxury Hyundai sub-brand EV? The Tesla Model 3/Y range can easily run up above $70k with options now, and the bigger Tesla Model S/X is a six-figures vehicle! Likewise, gas powered BMWs seem to have disappeared in the $30-40k range and pretty quickly get into the $50k+ range.

coryrc 4y ago
I figure GP's talking about gas trucks. We're talking working class people spending over a year's gross income on a truck, when in the past they'd be buying a "work truck" with a single bench seat, no A/C, and an AM radio.
- ehnto 4y ago
  I don't want to make assumptions, but it's my understanding that they're usually on finance which means they're paying much more than sticker price. I certainly don't know many middle class people with 70k in savings to throw around, either everyone is doing a lot better than they otherwise expose or there's easy money on the table. I think we'll see price corrections downward for cars over the next 5 years, as interest rates change. I've asked a handful of importers while I try and source a car from Japan, with the Japanese import market being hyper inflated. They've all suggested that during the pandemic, financed purchases were making up the majority of their sales. I imagine that's set to change as interest rates change and loans get harder to acquire.
  - doubled112 4y ago
    Of course people are financing them. Vehicles are expensive. I believe the average used car price is over $40K now here. Even an average used car was about $20K. Let's stick to the truck, though. F-150s are everywhere. If I head to the Ford Canada website, an F-150 XL (the cheap one) is $39K before you get started. A Platinum brings you up to $87K, and the Limited brings you up to $98K. The website is definitely NOT including taxes, licensing fees, financing fees, interest, etc. I couldn't imagine paying that for a work truck. The trades are fairly well payed, but to that extent?
    - ehnto 4y ago
      I can't see the logic in it either, by the time they're done paying off a typical loan even for the $87k variant, you would be up into triple figures for it. It could have cost as much as some people's homes.
    - nradov 4y ago
      The average new car transaction price is currently $48K. https://www.coxautoinc.com/market-insights/kbb-atp-september-2022/ https://www.coxautoinc.com/market-insights/kbb-atp-september...
      - tomrod 4y ago
        What's the histogram? Surely the mean is highly skewed.

coryrc 4y ago

I figure GP's talking about gas trucks. We're talking working class people spending over a year's gross income on a truck, when in the past they'd be buying a "work truck" with a single bench seat, no A/C, and an AM radio.

ehnto 4y ago
I don't want to make assumptions, but it's my understanding that they're usually on finance which means they're paying much more than sticker price. I certainly don't know many middle class people with 70k in savings to throw around, either everyone is doing a lot better than they otherwise expose or there's easy money on the table. I think we'll see price corrections downward for cars over the next 5 years, as interest rates change. I've asked a handful of importers while I try and source a car from Japan, with the Japanese import market being hyper inflated. They've all suggested that during the pandemic, financed purchases were making up the majority of their sales. I imagine that's set to change as interest rates change and loans get harder to acquire.
- doubled112 4y ago
  Of course people are financing them. Vehicles are expensive. I believe the average used car price is over $40K now here. Even an average used car was about $20K. Let's stick to the truck, though. F-150s are everywhere. If I head to the Ford Canada website, an F-150 XL (the cheap one) is $39K before you get started. A Platinum brings you up to $87K, and the Limited brings you up to $98K. The website is definitely NOT including taxes, licensing fees, financing fees, interest, etc. I couldn't imagine paying that for a work truck. The trades are fairly well payed, but to that extent?
  - ehnto 4y ago
    I can't see the logic in it either, by the time they're done paying off a typical loan even for the $87k variant, you would be up into triple figures for it. It could have cost as much as some people's homes.
  - nradov 4y ago
    The average new car transaction price is currently $48K. https://www.coxautoinc.com/market-insights/kbb-atp-september-2022/ https://www.coxautoinc.com/market-insights/kbb-atp-september...
    - tomrod 4y ago
      What's the histogram? Surely the mean is highly skewed.