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> Work is a source of structure, esteem, and motivation, and its disappearance can lead to depression, anxiety, addiction, and interpersonal turmoil. So true
by brntsllvn 4y ago
> Work is a source of structure, esteem, and motivation, and its disappearance can lead to depression, anxiety, addiction, and interpersonal turmoil.
So true
- gumby 4y agoThat’s why, as we strive towards the morally necessary system of universal unemployment (with robots doing all the work) we will need for the robots to create jobs for those who want them (and to convince the job holders of the importance of these ”jobs“). I mean this in all seriousness and am only sorry that I’m unkikely to live long enough to enjoy this paradise. Of course I’m one of those who loves to work.
- pfortuny 4y agoWork is not production or service by itself. This is something we all tend to forget. A bonsai is as much work as shining shoes.
- 988747 4y ago
- brntsllvn 4y agoI also love work. It's such a great way to meet and work with other people. Crucial for mental health.
- Hizonner 4y agoPretty sure the only way a robot is going to convince me that obvious makework is important is to do a lobotomy. Which I'd kind of prefer not to have. Maybe people should get over the idea that work should be their source of worth. Which I suspect they will manage to do within a generation or so.
- gumby 4y ago> Pretty sure the only way a robot is going to convince me that obvious makework is important is to do a lobotomy. Which I'd kind of prefer not to have. Clearly they need to make it non-obvious make work in order to give those who want it adequate satisfaction. To you it will look like productive work but really it will simply be a game. In many small ways we are there already. > Maybe people should get over the idea that work should be their source of worth. I hope universal unemployment leads to a flourishing in poetry etc from people who delight themselves and (some of) their friends sharing and collaborating on all sorts of fun projects. They don't even have to be very good. Life worked out pretty well before we outsourced our creativity to "professionals". Even the word "profession" has been hijacked by the industrial revolution.
- Hizonner 4y ago> Clearly they need to make it non-obvious make work in order to give those who want it adequate satisfaction. There are limits to how much you can fool people, no matter how smart you are.
- gumby 4y agoClassic example: Astronauts go into space, mainly to study sending astronauts into space. Meanwhile robots do all the serious piloting, imaging, exploration, and other research.
- AtlasBarfed 4y agoI don't think retired people are overloaded with depression, anxiety, addiction, and interpersonal turmoil. The fact that the lack of work / ability to sustain yourself leads to those things: those states of mind reflect the literal existential insecurity you must deal with. Because having a really shitty job that is just slightly less insecure kinda leads to the same thing.
- brntsllvn 4y agoTotally agree a shitty job is unhealthy.