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The only time I touch the controls on the car is to input the address I want to be driven to.

jvm___ 4y ago
And you can use it like a taxi service and send a non-driving human as a passenger. Or no passenger and just send it to an address to retrieve or deliver a package.
- ghaff 4y ago
  It's probably reasonable to expect that there are some asterisks like paved roads only and can't drive in literally all weather conditions. But, yeah, no human supervision needed.
  - a1369209993 4y ago
    > some asterisks like paved roads only Some asterisks like non-paved roads will cause poor and potentially dangerous performance, technically. If I tell it to drive into a volcano, and getting it to do so is significantly harder than five minutes of repeating various variations on "Yes, I know it's a volcano and will likely destroy the car and everything in it; do so anyway.", it's defective. (Preferably it also should not be significantly easier, of course, at least not to the point of being able to do so accidentally.)
- fbdab103 4y ago
  My ultimate dream is to be able to more or less avoid flying. Hop in my car at 11pm, punch in address, pull out the lay-flat seat, go to sleep, wake-up 7-8 hours away. If I make it a day trip, I can do the entire thing in reverse never having had to pay for a hotel. Living on the coast, I would still have to resort to flying, but there are many places I would enjoy that are reachable in an eight hour drive.
  - govg 4y ago
    You can do this in practically every EU country, not to mention Asia (I don't know about other parts of the globe) via trains. I don't get why it has to be a car. It's just that the US has zero infrastructure for both inter city as well as intra city public transport outside of like 4 cities.
    - fbdab103 4y ago
      I am an American, so lacking the ability to reverse 80 years of public policy decisions, I want the sleeper-car-car.
    - googlryas 4y ago
      For one, pull up a satellite view and look at the US anywhere 150 miles away from the west coast. And we have buses that go between lots of cities(greyhounds). They just suck compared to driving yourself or flying, which is why you'll pretty much only find poor and desperate people on them.
    - rootusrootus 4y ago
      The US has one of the most extensive rail networks in the world. What we do differently than Europe is use the rail network almost exclusively for freight. If we followed Europe's lead and did a lot more freight via long haul truck, we could free up a bunch of infrastructure for passengers, but would the end result be a net win? Or would we actually increase emissions by doing that?
      - Dylan16807 4y ago
        There is absolutely no reason to make that tradeoff. If a rail line is hitting maximum capacity, then that means there's plenty of money going around to expand it. Adding more passenger trains does not require decreasing the amount of freight trains. That's not the reason we're bad at doing passenger rail.
        fbdab103 4y ago
electrondood 4y ago
This is already happening with regularity, at least in California. Engineering is about solving part of the problem first, then iterating. If you look at what they've accomplished only in the last year with FSD, I find it highly unlikely that 0-disengagement drives don't become the norm by the end of 2023. Currently, 90+% of drives have 0 safety-critical disengagements, and 50+% have no human-discomfort-related disengagements.
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  Are you referring to Tesla's FSD effort, or Waymo? I hear excuses when I point this out, but lane keeping and adaptive cruise on the Model 3/Y are inferior to the competition now. AP was a selling point when the Model 3 first came out, it has become a bit of a joke now. If you buy a Model 3 today, it comes with an asterisk. If you want cruise control, beware, adaptive cruise has notable bugs and there is no option to turn it off and go old-school.
- lelanthran 4y ago
  > If you look at what they've accomplished only in the last year with FSD, I find it highly unlikely that 0-disengagement drives don't become the norm by the end of 2023. > Currently, 90+% of drives have 0 safety-critical disengagements, and 50+% have no human-discomfort-related disengagements. No one is going to put their pre-teen child in a car for a 5 hour trip when there is a 10% chance that the car will crash. And yet you think that such a thing will be the norm in 12 months or less?
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > Engineering is about solving part of the problem first, then iterating. And fraud is about selling solutions to parts of the problems you haven’t yet solved. While there are engineering criticisms of Tesla FSD, that’s not the issue here, so presenting definitions of engineering is a non-sequitur.

And you can use it like a taxi service and send a non-driving human as a passenger. Or no passenger and just send it to an address to retrieve or deliver a package.

ghaff 4y ago
It's probably reasonable to expect that there are some asterisks like paved roads only and can't drive in literally all weather conditions. But, yeah, no human supervision needed.
- a1369209993 4y ago
  > some asterisks like paved roads only Some asterisks like non-paved roads will cause poor and potentially dangerous performance, technically. If I tell it to drive into a volcano, and getting it to do so is significantly harder than five minutes of repeating various variations on "Yes, I know it's a volcano and will likely destroy the car and everything in it; do so anyway.", it's defective. (Preferably it also should not be significantly easier, of course, at least not to the point of being able to do so accidentally.)
fbdab103 4y ago
My ultimate dream is to be able to more or less avoid flying. Hop in my car at 11pm, punch in address, pull out the lay-flat seat, go to sleep, wake-up 7-8 hours away. If I make it a day trip, I can do the entire thing in reverse never having had to pay for a hotel. Living on the coast, I would still have to resort to flying, but there are many places I would enjoy that are reachable in an eight hour drive.
- govg 4y ago
  You can do this in practically every EU country, not to mention Asia (I don't know about other parts of the globe) via trains. I don't get why it has to be a car. It's just that the US has zero infrastructure for both inter city as well as intra city public transport outside of like 4 cities.
  - fbdab103 4y ago
    I am an American, so lacking the ability to reverse 80 years of public policy decisions, I want the sleeper-car-car.
  - googlryas 4y ago
    For one, pull up a satellite view and look at the US anywhere 150 miles away from the west coast. And we have buses that go between lots of cities(greyhounds). They just suck compared to driving yourself or flying, which is why you'll pretty much only find poor and desperate people on them.
  - rootusrootus 4y ago
    The US has one of the most extensive rail networks in the world. What we do differently than Europe is use the rail network almost exclusively for freight. If we followed Europe's lead and did a lot more freight via long haul truck, we could free up a bunch of infrastructure for passengers, but would the end result be a net win? Or would we actually increase emissions by doing that?
    - Dylan16807 4y ago
      There is absolutely no reason to make that tradeoff. If a rail line is hitting maximum capacity, then that means there's plenty of money going around to expand it. Adding more passenger trains does not require decreasing the amount of freight trains. That's not the reason we're bad at doing passenger rail.
      - fbdab103 4y ago

electrondood 4y ago

This is already happening with regularity, at least in California. Engineering is about solving part of the problem first, then iterating. If you look at what they've accomplished only in the last year with FSD, I find it highly unlikely that 0-disengagement drives don't become the norm by the end of 2023. Currently, 90+% of drives have 0 safety-critical disengagements, and 50+% have no human-discomfort-related disengagements.

rootusrootus 4y ago
Are you referring to Tesla's FSD effort, or Waymo? I hear excuses when I point this out, but lane keeping and adaptive cruise on the Model 3/Y are inferior to the competition now. AP was a selling point when the Model 3 first came out, it has become a bit of a joke now. If you buy a Model 3 today, it comes with an asterisk. If you want cruise control, beware, adaptive cruise has notable bugs and there is no option to turn it off and go old-school.
lelanthran 4y ago
> If you look at what they've accomplished only in the last year with FSD, I find it highly unlikely that 0-disengagement drives don't become the norm by the end of 2023. > Currently, 90+% of drives have 0 safety-critical disengagements, and 50+% have no human-discomfort-related disengagements. No one is going to put their pre-teen child in a car for a 5 hour trip when there is a 10% chance that the car will crash. And yet you think that such a thing will be the norm in 12 months or less?
dragonwriter 4y ago
> Engineering is about solving part of the problem first, then iterating. And fraud is about selling solutions to parts of the problems you haven’t yet solved. While there are engineering criticisms of Tesla FSD, that’s not the issue here, so presenting definitions of engineering is a non-sequitur.