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Nova by Panic is in this vein of bringing back great native software but the community remains small

stephc_int13 4y ago
Because they cornered themselves into a niche by using an Apple-only stack. Sublime Text is available on all three desktop OSes, built with C++/OpenGL for the performance intensive parts, and it works beautifully.
- smoldesu 4y ago
  Yep. They also charge $100 for their full license (not even perpetual btw) which is down-right insulting. I wouldn't even download their demo on my Mac.
  - rstupek 4y ago
    How is it insulting of them to want to charge for their software?
    - smoldesu 4y ago
      My Macbook cost ~$1,000, I'm not going to pay 1/10th of that price for a text editor that works on a single machine. I'd even buy Sublime before giving Nova an honest shot.
      - hejaodbsidndbd 4y ago
        This is the worst take
        smoldesu 4y ago
        Speak for yourself, I get to edit text and keep my $100.
      - rstupek 4y ago
        I guess I don't see the correlation. If your time isn't worth spending $100 for a text editor then you probably shouldn't
  - yladiz 4y ago
    What would be an appropriate price?
    - smoldesu 4y ago
      Free? It's a text editor, not World of Warcraft.
      - shrimp_emoji 4y ago
        Does it have ads between opening new document tabs, like mobile text editors? :D
        smoldesu 4y ago
        Do they? You must be using some pretty terrible mobile text editors...
    - stephc_int13 4y ago
      I don't care too much about the price. I'm happy to pay a premium for great software that I use almost all the time. I would not subscribe to anything recurrent though.
      - yladiz 4y ago
        I get it, especially for a desktop software. I think Sublime’s new model is a good balance, in that you get updates for 3(?) years from license purchase, and after you can still use it as it was when the license ran out, but need to pay for the updates from then on. It does nag you but you can disable the update check and the only visible thing is in the corner saying you should buy a new license. I think a subscription model can work if done right. It’s unreasonable to expect work on software to be free (and great if it is, like with so many open source programs and libraries), but it also isn’t okay to require payment in perpetuity just to use the program. With these in mind I think models like Sublime’s or Sketch’s are the right balance.
        4y ago
- CharlesW 4y ago
  > Because they cornered themselves into a niche by using an Apple-only stack. HN: We demand native IDEs. Panic: Here's a native IDE that uses platform APIs for the most native look and feel possible. HN: That's too native, idiots.
  - nsonha 4y ago
    who says you have to pick between native and cross-platform? The term "native" is confusing because some people use it to mean native performance (QT), and some people use it to mean native UI.
  - packetlost 4y ago
    "Cross-platform" is attached to those statements 90% of the time, including this time, but go on.
  - deleted 4y ago
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Because they cornered themselves into a niche by using an Apple-only stack. Sublime Text is available on all three desktop OSes, built with C++/OpenGL for the performance intensive parts, and it works beautifully.

smoldesu 4y ago
Yep. They also charge $100 for their full license (not even perpetual btw) which is down-right insulting. I wouldn't even download their demo on my Mac.
- rstupek 4y ago
  How is it insulting of them to want to charge for their software?
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    My Macbook cost ~$1,000, I'm not going to pay 1/10th of that price for a text editor that works on a single machine. I'd even buy Sublime before giving Nova an honest shot.
    - hejaodbsidndbd 4y ago
      This is the worst take
      - smoldesu 4y ago
        Speak for yourself, I get to edit text and keep my $100.
    - rstupek 4y ago
      I guess I don't see the correlation. If your time isn't worth spending $100 for a text editor then you probably shouldn't
- yladiz 4y ago
  What would be an appropriate price?
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    Free? It's a text editor, not World of Warcraft.
    - shrimp_emoji 4y ago
      Does it have ads between opening new document tabs, like mobile text editors? :D
      - smoldesu 4y ago
        Do they? You must be using some pretty terrible mobile text editors...
  - stephc_int13 4y ago
    I don't care too much about the price. I'm happy to pay a premium for great software that I use almost all the time. I would not subscribe to anything recurrent though.
    - yladiz 4y ago
      I get it, especially for a desktop software. I think Sublime’s new model is a good balance, in that you get updates for 3(?) years from license purchase, and after you can still use it as it was when the license ran out, but need to pay for the updates from then on. It does nag you but you can disable the update check and the only visible thing is in the corner saying you should buy a new license. I think a subscription model can work if done right. It’s unreasonable to expect work on software to be free (and great if it is, like with so many open source programs and libraries), but it also isn’t okay to require payment in perpetuity just to use the program. With these in mind I think models like Sublime’s or Sketch’s are the right balance.
      - 4y ago
CharlesW 4y ago
> Because they cornered themselves into a niche by using an Apple-only stack. HN: We demand native IDEs. Panic: Here's a native IDE that uses platform APIs for the most native look and feel possible. HN: That's too native, idiots.
- nsonha 4y ago
  who says you have to pick between native and cross-platform? The term "native" is confusing because some people use it to mean native performance (QT), and some people use it to mean native UI.
- packetlost 4y ago
  "Cross-platform" is attached to those statements 90% of the time, including this time, but go on.
- deleted 4y ago
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