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Everyone knows FIFA is a deeply corrupt organization. There is also not much anyone can do about it. But I don't think "we need to care more" is a good mental

Everyone knows FIFA is a deeply corrupt organization. There is also not much anyone can do about it. But I don't think "we need to care more" is a good mental model for the issue

jackmott42 4y ago
Quite a lot of really simple solutions actually. But modern reasonable people who are offended by evil are too nice to get rid of it like they should.
- Yaa101 4y ago
  Not too nice but too cowardice, they don't want to deal with the moral psychological fallout of killing evil people, they rather sit in a corner and weep about how evil the world is.
  - lupire 4y ago
    That's "nice". ---- You're so nice You're not good You're not bad You're just nice I'm not good I'm not nice I'm just right I'm the witch You're the world --Into the Woods, Last Midnight
zepn 4y ago
Surely there are, say, British, European or American FIFA representatives who can be tried for taking bribes, or for being part of an organisation which takes bribes? Why are those people immune? They're complicit.
- selectodude 4y ago
  For better or worse, it's one country, one vote for a lot of this stuff. You can bribe the entire Caribbean for the cost of bribing France (Qatar did both).
- jdminhbg 4y ago
  This does occasionally happen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Blazer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Blazer
- fmajid 4y ago
  The US has wide latitude to investigate corruption worldwide under FCPA and RICO, and did just that: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/nine-fifa-officials-and-five-corporate-executives-indicted-racketeering-conspiracy-and https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/nine-fifa-officials-and-five-...
matkoniecz 4y ago
> There is also not much anyone can do about it. For start, do not watch their events, and ignore them as far as possible. --------------------------------- Reject hosting events organised by them. The same goes for olympics, fortunately most people are noticing that it is a waste of money. (my city overwhelmingly rejected applying for winter olympics hosting after grassroot campaign by local people - I also participated in it a bit) 69.72% against, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Krak%C3%B3w_referendum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Krak%C3%B3w_referendum Reducing public funding for professional sports would be also nice.
omnibrain 4y ago
You know, the FIFA is an association. It has members. The members either set the rules, or they are complicit. Now you say, oh, the members won't do anything. They are willing complicits. Guess what. They are also associtations and have members. In the end your local football club is a member of a local association, that is member of a national association, that is member of FIFA. Why not start there. Start an initiative in your local club, that they take action on the next level, that they take action on the next level, etc. If you local club takes that up, but the next level ignores it, use your contacts to neighbouring clubs. If still nothing happens start an initiative that your club leaves the association. If your local club prefers to do nothing, they are complicits as well. But you can leave. Get your friends to leave. You can still play football. Just meet up at a field. Place some posts. But stop complaining about the corrupt FIFA.
- sofixa 4y ago
  But it's the members that are where the corruption comes from - they're the ones that elect the executive committee and the president, vote on proposals such as World Cup locations, etc. etc. FIFA is just a reflection of the corrupt state of world football federations.
  - lupire 4y ago
    Teams can quit FIFA, like academics quit Elsevier. Fans can quit paying teams. But teams don't care and fans don't care.
    - matkoniecz 4y ago
      Reducing their public funding, ignoring their events is more feasible.
fmajid 4y ago
UEFA is considering quitting FIFA: https://www.espn.com/soccer/fifa-world-cup/story/4501424/uefa-nations-could-quit-fifa-over-world-cup-row-report https://www.espn.com/soccer/fifa-world-cup/story/4501424/uef... In any case, professional sports is intrinsically corrupt, and the billions in broadcasting rights money sloshing around the trough are a magnet for scum.

Everyone knows FIFA is a deeply corrupt organization. There is also not much anyone can do about it. But I don't think "we need to care more" is a good mental model for the issue

jackmott42 4y ago

Quite a lot of really simple solutions actually. But modern reasonable people who are offended by evil are too nice to get rid of it like they should.

Yaa101 4y ago
Not too nice but too cowardice, they don't want to deal with the moral psychological fallout of killing evil people, they rather sit in a corner and weep about how evil the world is.
- lupire 4y ago
  That's "nice". ---- You're so nice You're not good You're not bad You're just nice I'm not good I'm not nice I'm just right I'm the witch You're the world --Into the Woods, Last Midnight

zepn 4y ago

Surely there are, say, British, European or American FIFA representatives who can be tried for taking bribes, or for being part of an organisation which takes bribes? Why are those people immune? They're complicit.

selectodude 4y ago
For better or worse, it's one country, one vote for a lot of this stuff. You can bribe the entire Caribbean for the cost of bribing France (Qatar did both).
jdminhbg 4y ago
This does occasionally happen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Blazer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Blazer
fmajid 4y ago
The US has wide latitude to investigate corruption worldwide under FCPA and RICO, and did just that: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/nine-fifa-officials-and-five-corporate-executives-indicted-racketeering-conspiracy-and https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/nine-fifa-officials-and-five-...

matkoniecz 4y ago

> There is also not much anyone can do about it. For start, do not watch their events, and ignore them as far as possible. --------------------------------- Reject hosting events organised by them. The same goes for olympics, fortunately most people are noticing that it is a waste of money. (my city overwhelmingly rejected applying for winter olympics hosting after grassroot campaign by local people - I also participated in it a bit) 69.72% against, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Krak%C3%B3w_referendum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Krak%C3%B3w_referendum Reducing public funding for professional sports would be also nice.

omnibrain 4y ago

You know, the FIFA is an association. It has members. The members either set the rules, or they are complicit. Now you say, oh, the members won't do anything. They are willing complicits. Guess what. They are also associtations and have members. In the end your local football club is a member of a local association, that is member of a national association, that is member of FIFA. Why not start there. Start an initiative in your local club, that they take action on the next level, that they take action on the next level, etc. If you local club takes that up, but the next level ignores it, use your contacts to neighbouring clubs. If still nothing happens start an initiative that your club leaves the association. If your local club prefers to do nothing, they are complicits as well. But you can leave. Get your friends to leave. You can still play football. Just meet up at a field. Place some posts. But stop complaining about the corrupt FIFA.

sofixa 4y ago
But it's the members that are where the corruption comes from - they're the ones that elect the executive committee and the president, vote on proposals such as World Cup locations, etc. etc. FIFA is just a reflection of the corrupt state of world football federations.
- lupire 4y ago
  Teams can quit FIFA, like academics quit Elsevier. Fans can quit paying teams. But teams don't care and fans don't care.
  - matkoniecz 4y ago
    Reducing their public funding, ignoring their events is more feasible.

fmajid 4y ago

UEFA is considering quitting FIFA: https://www.espn.com/soccer/fifa-world-cup/story/4501424/uefa-nations-could-quit-fifa-over-world-cup-row-report https://www.espn.com/soccer/fifa-world-cup/story/4501424/uef... In any case, professional sports is intrinsically corrupt, and the billions in broadcasting rights money sloshing around the trough are a magnet for scum.