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Think as you like but behave like others is the western approach. They would bemoan the loss and be very emotional about it while internally thinking the same t
by isthisthingon99 4y ago
Think as you like but behave like others is the western approach. They would bemoan the loss and be very emotional about it while internally thinking the same thing this guy said. I prefer my leaders to be less fluff.
- paulgb 4y agoWhat they’re thinking internally isn’t the issue. The statements send a signal to the rest of the organization and impact what gets prioritized. In this case, the signal is “life of workers doesn’t matter”.
- isthisthingon99 4y agoYou do realize in the us there are thousands of worker deaths. Do we hold a memorial each time?
- paulgb 4y agoWorking conditions in the US have improved dramatically over the last century because politicians and leaders took action to improve them. Your position seems to be that it doesn’t matter what leaders and politicians say if they don’t believe it in their heart. I think that’s less relevant than their actions. (And FWIW, yes, usually when a worker dies on the job in the US the company does sponsor a memorial)
- isthisthingon99 4y agoAh, so you are projecting your own society's ideals onto another which wasn't always how it was. Which society told you the way to do it was to create laws to deal with it? Was it your own? Have you perhaps considered that just because US society might be a few decades ahead in certain types of rights, that maybe that's just a fluke of nature and doesn't give the US any moral standing? Edit: can't respond any more, so I will just say: this thread is exactly an example of fake empathy. None of these guys will go out of their way to help the migrant worker, they will demand others do so. Fake empathy.
- paulgb 4y ago> Ah, so you are projecting your own society's ideals onto another which wasn't always how it was. To the extent that those ideals are “migrant worker’s lives should not be treated as expendable”, hell yes I am. (FWIW I’m Canadian, not American) Your attempt at positioning that as some sort of cultural chauvinism is weird.
- isthisthingon99 4y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_savior https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_savior
- djkivi 4y agoCanada had its own history of migrant workers. More than 4000 Chinese migrants died building our railroads: https://torontorailwaymuseum.com/?p=1152 https://torontorailwaymuseum.com/?p=1152
- paulgb 4y agoAbsolutely, I don't mean to imply that Canada is blameless, just that my point of view is not a projection of exclusively US-centric values.
- lupire 4y ago> when a worker dies on the job in the US the company does sponsor a memorial What? Who? Amazon docks people productivity points for the time it takes to walk a longer route to avoid a dead body on the warehouse floor.
- PLenz 4y agoMost companies aren't big corps and tend to care about employees if only because there are fewer of them.
- zopa 4y agoMaybe no memorial but for sure an OSHA incident report. https://www.osha.gov/recordkeeping/ https://www.osha.gov/recordkeeping/ There’s plenty of room for improvement. But it used to be that a 10,000 person steel mill could expect 1200 deaths and serious injuries each year. That only changed because people cared enough to fight for better conditions.
- rtpg 4y agoMaybe you think that, but I’m sure many people have basic human empathy at the end of the day. Yes statistically many people die on the job in many countries but every one is still a tragedy. You can think that and be running a large organization. I feel like many conservative thinkers believe that it’s all “fake” and just PR. But human empathy is a real thing.
- isthisthingon99 4y agoLook at your leaders. What percentage do you think operate from sincere va feigned or politically beneficial empathy? Is it a majority? At what level of government do you think it becomes a majority or minority?
- Aeolun 4y agoI honestly think my leaders (in the Netherlands) roughly do what they believe is in the best interest of the people. I think there’s few that truly feign empathy. There’s people that don’t care. I just don’t see them in politics, they’re all business leaders. I guess politics isn’t lucrative enough here.
- isthisthingon99 4y agoThis is my theory. The more local, the more "like you", the more empathy. The more "other", the more fake empathy.
- rtpg 4y agoMoving the goalposts a lot here. I think that when confronted with a meaningless death directly most will feel empathy. I’m sure a lot of politicians will feel like it’s unfair to pin some event on them, and that might be their base reaction. But this is not a mutually exclusive thing! People can be mad about political messaging and still feel something about people dead while building a soccer stadium of all things.
- BurningFrog 4y agoAbout two people die every second. I think it's essential for mental health to find a way to not grieve these strangers!