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$30 /month feels like a lot to me. It reminds me of leetcode where I would actually consider paying for the service but the price is just so high I can't justif

by 63 4y ago

$30 /month feels like a lot to me. It reminds me of leetcode where I would actually consider paying for the service but the price is just so high I can't justify it for how little time I would spend with it. Maybe the price makes sense if you're going through every course on the site, but I'm really only interested in one or two so it just doesn't make sense for me. I'll just learn from other sources.

epolanski 4y ago
Those prices are ridiculous but I guess they have optimized it and figured it's the best option.
- digianarchist 4y ago
  You think $30 a month is ridiculous?
  - mistercheph 4y ago
    -Digianarchist
  - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
    The worth and value of something is all relative to every each person.
  - epolanski 4y ago
    Yes.
  - waprin 4y ago
    Programmers: > "Why does BigTech keep tracking me!" > "If you're not the customer, you're the product!" > "Why is the internet getting monopolized by a few media empires owned by a few billionaires!" Small indie developer: "hey guys I put a massive amount of work into this project, how about you just act like a customer and pay me a small amount of money". > "Ahhh this is highway robbery! $30 is outrageously overpriced!" People are insanely cheap with software, even professional software developers. It's an attitude that's shifting but very slowly. The VC backed ad-economy has anchored everyone's expectation that anything above $0 is somehow a ripoff. The end result is we all get tracked, our data monetized, and the best job opportunities are mostly obeying the rules of a tiny number of elite overlords who can finance "free" products. Also, people won't bat an eye at paying $40k, $50k, or $60k for 1 year at a university even though you'd probably learn more programming from doing Fireship's classes then a lot of undergrad CS semesters. It has more to do with psychological anchoring than any sort of economic rationality.
    - Aeolun 4y ago
      The problem is that I do not have enough disposable income to give $30 to everyone. The 60k for college is an investment in the future, but more importantly it’s not my money I’m spending, and there’s no replacement for that piece of paper.
      - rglover 4y ago
        Sure there is: evidence of competency. Many people will hire you if you can demonstrate you actually know what you're doing, which a site like Fireship (presumably) can help you to learn. This fallacy needs to die. It's why many who work in jobs are highly unqualified (they're hired for credentials/connections, not competency).
        usrbinbash 4y ago
        The problem is; one needs to get to the point in the hiring process where one gets the chance to demonstrate competence. Before that point, all one has going is what's in the job application. Degrees and work experience can be put in there and have a good chance to be acknowledged by whoever does the hiring.
        rglover 4y ago
        > The problem is; one needs to get to the point in the hiring process where one gets the chance to demonstrate competence. If you follow the same path as everyone else, yes. A "hack" of sorts I've done for this is to find things to improve at a place you want to work, front-load the cost of improving them via a small demo/report, and then reach out to someone in the company who'd find it valuable and start building a relationship. In a lot of cases, you end up getting plugged in directly and can skip the resume roulette. There's a ton of wisdom in this quote that I picked up from Derek Sivers via his music teacher, Kimo Williams: "the standard pace is for chumps." There's always a backdoor to get what you want, you just have to be more creative than the other people to find it.
        4y ago
  - spaceman_2020 4y ago
    Absolutely not. If you can learn to build even a basic CRUD app, you can likely make way, way more than the $30 invested. Absurd that this even a complaint.
- xenospn 4y ago
  People go to leetcode when they’re preparing for interviews, but the site has no long term retention IMHO.
  - robswc 4y ago
    Yep. I always say “oh, I’ll keep my leet code skills up!” But I can’t for the life of me reason that it’s a better investment actually building things and by the end of the day I’m too burned out.
- helicalmix 4y ago
  Lol, it’s hilarious how decent programmers can very feasibly make 300k+ a year, but somehow, a course that’s selling point is to make you more decent is too expensive at $30 a month. That’s literally skipping a single night of eating out. If you’re point is that you can’t trust the program to deliver, that’s valid, but make sure to make the judgement call AFTER you check out their free content first. Honestly? I’d argue that they should be charging more. The people who are truly interested in investing in long term learning generally have a higher willingness to pay, while everyone else will balk at anything that isn’t free.
  - 63 4y ago
    I do technically work as a programmer but I make far less than 300k and I'm generally happy with where I am. I mostly program as a hobby so that's the perspective I was coming from. I can see why they would charge more if this is meant as a professional skills development service where people expect to get returns for their time and money spent. I just thought it would be cool to learn react so I can make hobby sites easier and that's not worth $30 to me.
  - civopsec 4y ago
    Would I be interested in learning about programming from a website that offers to learn me more by > I built this one-of-a-kind learning platform to give you dopamine hits like XP and meme prizes for every little accomplishment if I already made 300K a year? (Ridiculous, by the way.) No, I would not. At least I would hope that I would be more serious and dedicated.
  - wiseowise 4y ago
    > it’s hilarious how decent programmers can very feasibly make 300k+ a year It’s hilarious that you think programmers who make 300k+ a year need resources such as this one.
eachro 4y ago
Leetcode's problem is that the free option is already really good. The premium version's offering just isn't compelling. Official solutions while nice are often not as helpful as the community submitted solutions. Getting access to more interview questions also isn't a selling point given how many questions are already on the site for free.

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epolanski 4y ago

Those prices are ridiculous but I guess they have optimized it and figured it's the best option.

digianarchist 4y ago
You think $30 a month is ridiculous?
- mistercheph 4y ago
  -Digianarchist
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  The worth and value of something is all relative to every each person.
- epolanski 4y ago
  Yes.
- waprin 4y ago
  Programmers: > "Why does BigTech keep tracking me!" > "If you're not the customer, you're the product!" > "Why is the internet getting monopolized by a few media empires owned by a few billionaires!" Small indie developer: "hey guys I put a massive amount of work into this project, how about you just act like a customer and pay me a small amount of money". > "Ahhh this is highway robbery! $30 is outrageously overpriced!" People are insanely cheap with software, even professional software developers. It's an attitude that's shifting but very slowly. The VC backed ad-economy has anchored everyone's expectation that anything above $0 is somehow a ripoff. The end result is we all get tracked, our data monetized, and the best job opportunities are mostly obeying the rules of a tiny number of elite overlords who can finance "free" products. Also, people won't bat an eye at paying $40k, $50k, or $60k for 1 year at a university even though you'd probably learn more programming from doing Fireship's classes then a lot of undergrad CS semesters. It has more to do with psychological anchoring than any sort of economic rationality.
  - Aeolun 4y ago
    The problem is that I do not have enough disposable income to give $30 to everyone. The 60k for college is an investment in the future, but more importantly it’s not my money I’m spending, and there’s no replacement for that piece of paper.
    - rglover 4y ago
      Sure there is: evidence of competency. Many people will hire you if you can demonstrate you actually know what you're doing, which a site like Fireship (presumably) can help you to learn. This fallacy needs to die. It's why many who work in jobs are highly unqualified (they're hired for credentials/connections, not competency).
      - usrbinbash 4y ago
        The problem is; one needs to get to the point in the hiring process where one gets the chance to demonstrate competence. Before that point, all one has going is what's in the job application. Degrees and work experience can be put in there and have a good chance to be acknowledged by whoever does the hiring.
        rglover 4y ago
        > The problem is; one needs to get to the point in the hiring process where one gets the chance to demonstrate competence. If you follow the same path as everyone else, yes. A "hack" of sorts I've done for this is to find things to improve at a place you want to work, front-load the cost of improving them via a small demo/report, and then reach out to someone in the company who'd find it valuable and start building a relationship. In a lot of cases, you end up getting plugged in directly and can skip the resume roulette. There's a ton of wisdom in this quote that I picked up from Derek Sivers via his music teacher, Kimo Williams: "the standard pace is for chumps." There's always a backdoor to get what you want, you just have to be more creative than the other people to find it.
        4y ago
- spaceman_2020 4y ago
  Absolutely not. If you can learn to build even a basic CRUD app, you can likely make way, way more than the $30 invested. Absurd that this even a complaint.
xenospn 4y ago
People go to leetcode when they’re preparing for interviews, but the site has no long term retention IMHO.
- robswc 4y ago
  Yep. I always say “oh, I’ll keep my leet code skills up!” But I can’t for the life of me reason that it’s a better investment actually building things and by the end of the day I’m too burned out.
helicalmix 4y ago
Lol, it’s hilarious how decent programmers can very feasibly make 300k+ a year, but somehow, a course that’s selling point is to make you more decent is too expensive at $30 a month. That’s literally skipping a single night of eating out. If you’re point is that you can’t trust the program to deliver, that’s valid, but make sure to make the judgement call AFTER you check out their free content first. Honestly? I’d argue that they should be charging more. The people who are truly interested in investing in long term learning generally have a higher willingness to pay, while everyone else will balk at anything that isn’t free.
- 63 4y ago
  I do technically work as a programmer but I make far less than 300k and I'm generally happy with where I am. I mostly program as a hobby so that's the perspective I was coming from. I can see why they would charge more if this is meant as a professional skills development service where people expect to get returns for their time and money spent. I just thought it would be cool to learn react so I can make hobby sites easier and that's not worth $30 to me.
- civopsec 4y ago
  Would I be interested in learning about programming from a website that offers to learn me more by > I built this one-of-a-kind learning platform to give you dopamine hits like XP and meme prizes for every little accomplishment if I already made 300K a year? (Ridiculous, by the way.) No, I would not. At least I would hope that I would be more serious and dedicated.
- wiseowise 4y ago
  > it’s hilarious how decent programmers can very feasibly make 300k+ a year It’s hilarious that you think programmers who make 300k+ a year need resources such as this one.

eachro 4y ago

Leetcode's problem is that the free option is already really good. The premium version's offering just isn't compelling. Official solutions while nice are often not as helpful as the community submitted solutions. Getting access to more interview questions also isn't a selling point given how many questions are already on the site for free.