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> No regulator has had the idea of just going to Facebook, having a real conversation about what they're doing, then talked about it with ethics professionals a

> No regulator has had the idea of just going to Facebook, having a real conversation about what they're doing, then talked about it with ethics professionals and researchers and tried to draft a forward-looking law that will make the whole system better? This would never work because Facebook is uninterested in making "the whole system better". Their entire goal is to make money off of user data, and they have zero incentive to work with governments that threaten that goal.

RubyRidgeRandy 4y ago
on the contrary, I think facebook and google have a huge incentive to work with different governing bodies to define what data is ok to collect and build identifiers around, and what is not. There is no way facebook would just throw up it's hands and say "we have no incentive to find a way to advertise to a population of 750 million people."
- CountSessine 4y ago
  Yes - especially if they can do this in a way that still makes them money but is expensive and burdensome to comply with. That would keep them in the game but seal the market off to potential competitors.
- hailwren 4y ago
  > There is no way facebook would just throw up it's hands and say "we have no incentive to find a way to advertise to a population of 750 million people." And yet, this is exactly what they do repeatedly [1] [2] [3]. 1 - https://www.vice.com/en/article/889pk3/facebook-threatens-to-pull-out-of-europe-if-it-doesnt-get-its-way https://www.vice.com/en/article/889pk3/facebook-threatens-to... 2 - https://www.exchangewire.com/blog/2022/02/08/facebook-threatens-to-leave-europe-if-data-sharing-with-us-ends/ https://www.exchangewire.com/blog/2022/02/08/facebook-threat... 3 - https://www.niemanlab.org/2019/01/google-is-threatening-to-kill-google-news-in-europe-if-the-eu-goes-ahead-with-its-snippet-tax/ https://www.niemanlab.org/2019/01/google-is-threatening-to-k...
  - Shish2k 4y ago
    I would suggest reading some of the sources of those stories instead of just the headlines ^^ (Spoilers: the reality of the “threatens to leave Europe” headline is a much less click-baity “lists ‘leaving Europe’ as one of many possible paths to take, but one they would prefer to avoid”)
    - forty 4y ago
      > one of many possible paths to take, but one they would prefer to avoid This seem to be exactly the sentence one would use to respectfully threaten someone else (try it with a different theme, it might be clearer: "we are exploring all possible solutions to the conflict, going nuclear is just one of the way but one we would prefer to avoid")
gameman144 4y ago
I mean, the parent comment have a pretty compelling case to the contrary: > Facebook has invested billions of dollars in building and developing a platform according to their fair reading of that law. It's valid to say "Facebook isn't the one who should be expected to have citizens' best interests at heart", but the incentives of regulators and Facebook are absolutely aligned in that both are looking for a law that will be followed.
matkoniecz 4y ago
My understanding is that they did this. It just happens that they are basically outlawing large parts of FB business model. This appears to be deliberate and I am happy about it. Any internet-related law actually increasing privacy and harming tracking/spying/personal data gathering was going to harm FB. If it would not, then it would mean that it is toothless and useless.
jimnotgym 4y ago
If you have a complaint against you under GDPR the first thing that happens is the authority in question contacts you and suggests how you could clear up the problem. It is only through refusing to comply that you get fined

RubyRidgeRandy 4y ago

on the contrary, I think facebook and google have a huge incentive to work with different governing bodies to define what data is ok to collect and build identifiers around, and what is not. There is no way facebook would just throw up it's hands and say "we have no incentive to find a way to advertise to a population of 750 million people."

CountSessine 4y ago
Yes - especially if they can do this in a way that still makes them money but is expensive and burdensome to comply with. That would keep them in the game but seal the market off to potential competitors.
hailwren 4y ago
> There is no way facebook would just throw up it's hands and say "we have no incentive to find a way to advertise to a population of 750 million people." And yet, this is exactly what they do repeatedly [1] [2] [3]. 1 - https://www.vice.com/en/article/889pk3/facebook-threatens-to-pull-out-of-europe-if-it-doesnt-get-its-way https://www.vice.com/en/article/889pk3/facebook-threatens-to... 2 - https://www.exchangewire.com/blog/2022/02/08/facebook-threatens-to-leave-europe-if-data-sharing-with-us-ends/ https://www.exchangewire.com/blog/2022/02/08/facebook-threat... 3 - https://www.niemanlab.org/2019/01/google-is-threatening-to-kill-google-news-in-europe-if-the-eu-goes-ahead-with-its-snippet-tax/ https://www.niemanlab.org/2019/01/google-is-threatening-to-k...
- Shish2k 4y ago
  I would suggest reading some of the sources of those stories instead of just the headlines ^^ (Spoilers: the reality of the “threatens to leave Europe” headline is a much less click-baity “lists ‘leaving Europe’ as one of many possible paths to take, but one they would prefer to avoid”)
  - forty 4y ago
    > one of many possible paths to take, but one they would prefer to avoid This seem to be exactly the sentence one would use to respectfully threaten someone else (try it with a different theme, it might be clearer: "we are exploring all possible solutions to the conflict, going nuclear is just one of the way but one we would prefer to avoid")

gameman144 4y ago

I mean, the parent comment have a pretty compelling case to the contrary: > Facebook has invested billions of dollars in building and developing a platform according to their fair reading of that law. It's valid to say "Facebook isn't the one who should be expected to have citizens' best interests at heart", but the incentives of regulators and Facebook are absolutely aligned in that both are looking for a law that will be followed.

matkoniecz 4y ago

My understanding is that they did this. It just happens that they are basically outlawing large parts of FB business model. This appears to be deliberate and I am happy about it. Any internet-related law actually increasing privacy and harming tracking/spying/personal data gathering was going to harm FB. If it would not, then it would mean that it is toothless and useless.

jimnotgym 4y ago

If you have a complaint against you under GDPR the first thing that happens is the authority in question contacts you and suggests how you could clear up the problem. It is only through refusing to comply that you get fined