5 ms·

It sounds fairly accurate to me. This is what killed the US-EU Privacy Shield program, twice. That was the government's attempt at creating a way for US compani

It sounds fairly accurate to me. This is what killed the US-EU Privacy Shield program, twice. That was the government's attempt at creating a way for US companies like Facebook to legally process data of EU citizens under GDPR. It's been struck down by the EU courts, due to our federal government's spy powers and the CLOUD Act, that invalidate any claims US companies make about protecting personal data in their possession.

Hnrobert42 4y ago
I was referring to comparing the US intel operation to the Stasi.
- kergonath 4y ago
  It was hyperbole. But it is not a conspiracy theory if it is true. All this has been documented well enough.
- ClumsyPilot 4y ago
  Indeed, US spying machine is mich more advanced. Poor inefficient Stasi
- BlueTemplar 4y ago
  I could see this reaction if my focus had been on US citizens - which last I checked, still have some protections, and the NSA still reports, albeit quite indirectly to them, in a still somewhat democratic system. But my focus is specifically on non-US citizens, worse, on those of supposedly "allied" nations (some of which have since then built similar systems of their own, but the same caveat applies, and their reach is still not comparable to that of GAFAM/NSA). Can you see how it becomes a HUGE betrayal of trust after all the post-cold war promises of a "global village" (which was always a bit naive, but at least we seemed to have started to build one in the West) ?
- pyrale 4y ago
  Yeah, it really cheapens the effort the US has put in their surveillance network to compare it with the chumps at Stasi writing some stuff down on paper...
- _Algernon_ 4y ago
  In terms of quantities of data collected this likely undersells US efforts. In terms of nefarious use it perhaps oversells the issue… at least so far. But calling it a conspiracy is disingenuous when the potential is clearly there, and OP's comparison was clearly about the quantity of data collected.
  - matkoniecz 4y ago
    Also, the claim made was about capabilities, not about nefarious use.

Hnrobert42 4y ago

I was referring to comparing the US intel operation to the Stasi.

kergonath 4y ago
It was hyperbole. But it is not a conspiracy theory if it is true. All this has been documented well enough.
ClumsyPilot 4y ago
Indeed, US spying machine is mich more advanced. Poor inefficient Stasi
BlueTemplar 4y ago
I could see this reaction if my focus had been on US citizens - which last I checked, still have some protections, and the NSA still reports, albeit quite indirectly to them, in a still somewhat democratic system. But my focus is specifically on non-US citizens, worse, on those of supposedly "allied" nations (some of which have since then built similar systems of their own, but the same caveat applies, and their reach is still not comparable to that of GAFAM/NSA). Can you see how it becomes a HUGE betrayal of trust after all the post-cold war promises of a "global village" (which was always a bit naive, but at least we seemed to have started to build one in the West) ?
pyrale 4y ago
Yeah, it really cheapens the effort the US has put in their surveillance network to compare it with the chumps at Stasi writing some stuff down on paper...
_Algernon_ 4y ago
In terms of quantities of data collected this likely undersells US efforts. In terms of nefarious use it perhaps oversells the issue… at least so far. But calling it a conspiracy is disingenuous when the potential is clearly there, and OP's comparison was clearly about the quantity of data collected.
- matkoniecz 4y ago
  Also, the claim made was about capabilities, not about nefarious use.