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Holy confounders Batman. Yes, someone who is unable to climb the stairs might not be long for this world but...making them sprint up a staircase is unlikely to

Holy confounders Batman. Yes, someone who is unable to climb the stairs might not be long for this world but...making them sprint up a staircase is unlikely to prolong (rather than shorten) their lives.

bpodgursky 4y ago
I don't know what to say other than — you are wrong. It's extremely rare for someone without an actual heart defect to die because they exercised too hard.
- johnsimer 4y ago
  If your arteries are calcified and you have high blood pressure I would think not . . .
  - FartyMcFarter 4y ago
    I think most fitness experts would tell you to increase activity progressively, not to go from completely inactive to "gym rat" in one day. The older you are, the more important this is. The smartest way to do it is probably to increase both frequency and intensity progressively, which means your body can make small adaptations over time without putting undue stress on the joints, tendons, bones, cardio-vascular system etc.
- pengaru 4y ago
  Disrupting a long sedentary and poor diet lifestyle with abrupt vigorous physical activity is known to risk breaking loose chunks of vascular plaque. Those can then cause a stroke when they obstruct blood flow to something critical. The stroke may be fatal, or maybe you just loose capabilities like motor control of half your body. Either way, there's a reason many people are advised to consult with their physician before beginning an exercise regimen. Stay active folks...
- vba616 4y ago
  You heard of Douglas Adams? Also, I can't help wondering whether this study's results are applicable to what they call a "stress test" at your doctor's. Or is that beyond the regime they were examining.
golemotron 4y ago
> Yes, someone who is unable to climb the stairs might not be long for this world but...making them sprint up a staircase is unlikely to prolong (rather than shorten) their lives. The direction of causation could be reversed too. It might be that inactivity is a sign of deteriorating biological systems.
- psychphysic 4y ago
  The value of this research is that next time you see mortality association study you'll think. Did they correct for people who run for the bus or not?
mannykannot 4y ago
At first, this paper seemed to me to be contradictory: having defined VILPA as excluding exercise for the purpose of exercising, it recommends doing it for that purpose... On reflection, I think the advice is directed towards people who could take the stairs, but habitually don't. Aside from that and running to the next bus/train stop, I'm not sure there are all that many options for this sort of behavior modification without setting aside some time for it.
- iskander 4y ago
  >I think the advice is directed towards people who could take the stairs, but habitually don't. I think we could probably agree with this advice based on strong priors but this paper provides poor support for the advice since it's not an intervention, it's an observation of extreme sedentary "lifestyles" which are probably heavily skewed towards various forms of illness (or infirmity from old age).
- s1artibartfast 4y ago
  I think that's kind of baked into the definition of VILPA. that is to say, it is by definition intermittent. Some people have Lifestyles with more of it and some have less of it. If you take the paper at face value, it is better to live a lifestyle with it

bpodgursky 4y ago

I don't know what to say other than — you are wrong. It's extremely rare for someone without an actual heart defect to die because they exercised too hard.

johnsimer 4y ago
If your arteries are calcified and you have high blood pressure I would think not . . .
- FartyMcFarter 4y ago
  I think most fitness experts would tell you to increase activity progressively, not to go from completely inactive to "gym rat" in one day. The older you are, the more important this is. The smartest way to do it is probably to increase both frequency and intensity progressively, which means your body can make small adaptations over time without putting undue stress on the joints, tendons, bones, cardio-vascular system etc.
pengaru 4y ago
Disrupting a long sedentary and poor diet lifestyle with abrupt vigorous physical activity is known to risk breaking loose chunks of vascular plaque. Those can then cause a stroke when they obstruct blood flow to something critical. The stroke may be fatal, or maybe you just loose capabilities like motor control of half your body. Either way, there's a reason many people are advised to consult with their physician before beginning an exercise regimen. Stay active folks...
vba616 4y ago
You heard of Douglas Adams? Also, I can't help wondering whether this study's results are applicable to what they call a "stress test" at your doctor's. Or is that beyond the regime they were examining.

golemotron 4y ago

> Yes, someone who is unable to climb the stairs might not be long for this world but...making them sprint up a staircase is unlikely to prolong (rather than shorten) their lives. The direction of causation could be reversed too. It might be that inactivity is a sign of deteriorating biological systems.

psychphysic 4y ago
The value of this research is that next time you see mortality association study you'll think. Did they correct for people who run for the bus or not?

mannykannot 4y ago

At first, this paper seemed to me to be contradictory: having defined VILPA as excluding exercise for the purpose of exercising, it recommends doing it for that purpose... On reflection, I think the advice is directed towards people who could take the stairs, but habitually don't. Aside from that and running to the next bus/train stop, I'm not sure there are all that many options for this sort of behavior modification without setting aside some time for it.

iskander 4y ago
>I think the advice is directed towards people who could take the stairs, but habitually don't. I think we could probably agree with this advice based on strong priors but this paper provides poor support for the advice since it's not an intervention, it's an observation of extreme sedentary "lifestyles" which are probably heavily skewed towards various forms of illness (or infirmity from old age).
s1artibartfast 4y ago
I think that's kind of baked into the definition of VILPA. that is to say, it is by definition intermittent. Some people have Lifestyles with more of it and some have less of it. If you take the paper at face value, it is better to live a lifestyle with it