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This has also been posted to the Minecraft subreddit, where is has received a lot of positive attention from the community: https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/c

This has also been posted to the Minecraft subreddit, where is has received a lot of positive attention from the community: https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/zf8ye0/i_wrote_the_end_poem_i_also_own_it_because_i https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/zf8ye0/i_wrote_t...

operator-name 4y ago
It's quite intersting seeing the difference in focus and tone between HN and the Minecraft subreddit. Although the end poem has received criticism here, it's obvious from the thread that it's touched a lot of people. Being friends and known a small number of "artists", the difference in mindset was extremely apparent - some of them just think and see the world fundimental very differently from the way I do. Many actions and explanations here are not that of a piece to convince or persuade, but of an individual sharing their raw self and their struggles. Thus its been interesting to see the reaction from HN, who are obviously different in another way. HN is the Carl of the story, who also misses what the author considers the "broader point" of wanting to be treated as a friend.
- FamosoRandom 4y ago
  I find it hilarious that we both wrote the same idea pratically at the same time, are you me from another universe ? or maybe I am you ?
  - xyzelement 4y ago
    You are both pure love. (In ten years, I will complain about you. I wrote you this poetic line because I thought we are friends)
- Kiro 4y ago
  Not really. If this was the post on HN I'm sure people would be more sympathetic because it leaves out all the important details, like the fact that he actually received €20k for it and the pompous idea that he's one of the creators of Minecraft.
  - mort96 4y ago
    Nowhere does he say he thinks he's the creator of Minecraft. You sound spiteful, and I can't tell why. EDIT: The comment used to say " ... the pompous idea that he created Minecraft". It was later edited.
    - Kiro 4y ago
      > I was one of the five people who had helped create this strangest of games
      - mort96 4y ago
        He is, undoubtedly, one of the people who worked on a part of the game, yes. That counts as "helping create the game". And claiming to have "helped create the game" is not the same as claiming to be "the creator" of the game.
        Kiro 4y ago
        It absolutely reads as if his contribution is significant enough that he should be be considered one of the creators. > giving money to back-office staff who had just arrived in the last year, and had zero creative input into the game [...] I had helped him create the actual game The way he puts down regular employees, making it sound like his poem is obviously more important than whatever a mere employee does.
        mort96 4y ago
        Yes, he considers himself "one of the creators of Minecraft". Because he is one of the creators of Minecraft; he created a part of the game. He doesn't consider himself "the creator of Minecraft", as you claimed. You can think he puts down regular employees and makes himself seem more important than is warranted. You may think his contribution is tiny compared to the contribution of people who marketed the game or made the website. I may even agree. But that's not what I take issue with. I take issue with you misrepresenting his words by claiming he thinks he's "the creator of Minecraft", which is completely unfair.
FamosoRandom 4y ago
This is really interesting to compare both general opinion on HN and on this subreddit. On HN, a place probably filled with technical guys, people are generaly putting themselves in dev shoes. They are accusing the author of feeling entitled to more money because he felt like he was part of the team and that he think his work is equaly important as the work of everyone else. Devs being devs generaly know that coding is hard and long, and generaly don't know if writing a poem is difficult or not. On the subreddit, a place probably filled with long time minecraft player, people are putting themselves in the artist shoes. They support the author and are thanking him for creating one of the key moment during a minecraft game : the end. Rationality versus Emotion. Who is right, who is wrong ? Is anyone right ? Maybe both side are blinded by their beliefs ?
- operator-name 4y ago
  It's a bit sad because I think many here are missing the lesson to be learnt - artists want to be treated as artists (with emotion rather than rationality). When you treat them as cold hearted rational contractors, this kind of mess occurs. I'm reminded of a similar event with the Doom soundtrack https://medium.com/@mickgordon/my-full-statement-regarding-doom-eternal-5f98266b27ce https://medium.com/@mickgordon/my-full-statement-regarding-d...
  - vkazanov 4y ago
    Knowing some superartistic and talented people, I generally agree. But Mick's case is very different. Mojang did pay, the guy did write, it's just that the guy wanted more than there was there in the informal agreement. Mick Gordon did sign, idSoftware did not follow the contract, failed to pay on multiple occasions and did not even try to come back to reason in the longer term. Then there's the whole OST story, which is a different kind of evil. Marty Stratton, the producer of the game, played a very dirty game with Gordon with all of the blame shifting and payment problems and that horrible, horrible original reddit post.
    - Jochim 4y ago
      What did Mojang pay for though? That appears to be the point of contention. It sounds like Mojang threw £20k at the author without understanding or articulating what that payment entitled them to. At a later point they realised they didn't own the actual work itself and tried to strong-arm the author into giving them that ownership for effectively nothing. At the time Mojang appears to believe that this could be an issue during due diligence. With the amount of money on the table, even offering a life changing sum to the author would have had a nearly imperceptible affect on the overall balance of the acquisition.
erklik 4y ago
> I am just a flawed guy, not particularly together, who doesn't have next month's rent. This comment by him.. seems to be honestly something that explains quite a bit as to where he's coming from.
LudwigNagasena 4y ago
The posts are very different. "I made my work public domain" sounds a lot more positive than whatever that screed was trying to convey.

operator-name 4y ago

It's quite intersting seeing the difference in focus and tone between HN and the Minecraft subreddit. Although the end poem has received criticism here, it's obvious from the thread that it's touched a lot of people. Being friends and known a small number of "artists", the difference in mindset was extremely apparent - some of them just think and see the world fundimental very differently from the way I do. Many actions and explanations here are not that of a piece to convince or persuade, but of an individual sharing their raw self and their struggles. Thus its been interesting to see the reaction from HN, who are obviously different in another way. HN is the Carl of the story, who also misses what the author considers the "broader point" of wanting to be treated as a friend.

FamosoRandom 4y ago
I find it hilarious that we both wrote the same idea pratically at the same time, are you me from another universe ? or maybe I am you ?
- xyzelement 4y ago
  You are both pure love. (In ten years, I will complain about you. I wrote you this poetic line because I thought we are friends)
Kiro 4y ago
Not really. If this was the post on HN I'm sure people would be more sympathetic because it leaves out all the important details, like the fact that he actually received €20k for it and the pompous idea that he's one of the creators of Minecraft.
- mort96 4y ago
  Nowhere does he say he thinks he's the creator of Minecraft. You sound spiteful, and I can't tell why. EDIT: The comment used to say " ... the pompous idea that he created Minecraft". It was later edited.
  - Kiro 4y ago
    > I was one of the five people who had helped create this strangest of games
    - mort96 4y ago
      He is, undoubtedly, one of the people who worked on a part of the game, yes. That counts as "helping create the game". And claiming to have "helped create the game" is not the same as claiming to be "the creator" of the game.
      - Kiro 4y ago
        It absolutely reads as if his contribution is significant enough that he should be be considered one of the creators. > giving money to back-office staff who had just arrived in the last year, and had zero creative input into the game [...] I had helped him create the actual game The way he puts down regular employees, making it sound like his poem is obviously more important than whatever a mere employee does.
        mort96 4y ago
        Yes, he considers himself "one of the creators of Minecraft". Because he is one of the creators of Minecraft; he created a part of the game. He doesn't consider himself "the creator of Minecraft", as you claimed. You can think he puts down regular employees and makes himself seem more important than is warranted. You may think his contribution is tiny compared to the contribution of people who marketed the game or made the website. I may even agree. But that's not what I take issue with. I take issue with you misrepresenting his words by claiming he thinks he's "the creator of Minecraft", which is completely unfair.

FamosoRandom 4y ago

This is really interesting to compare both general opinion on HN and on this subreddit. On HN, a place probably filled with technical guys, people are generaly putting themselves in dev shoes. They are accusing the author of feeling entitled to more money because he felt like he was part of the team and that he think his work is equaly important as the work of everyone else. Devs being devs generaly know that coding is hard and long, and generaly don't know if writing a poem is difficult or not. On the subreddit, a place probably filled with long time minecraft player, people are putting themselves in the artist shoes. They support the author and are thanking him for creating one of the key moment during a minecraft game : the end. Rationality versus Emotion. Who is right, who is wrong ? Is anyone right ? Maybe both side are blinded by their beliefs ?

operator-name 4y ago
It's a bit sad because I think many here are missing the lesson to be learnt - artists want to be treated as artists (with emotion rather than rationality). When you treat them as cold hearted rational contractors, this kind of mess occurs. I'm reminded of a similar event with the Doom soundtrack https://medium.com/@mickgordon/my-full-statement-regarding-doom-eternal-5f98266b27ce https://medium.com/@mickgordon/my-full-statement-regarding-d...
- vkazanov 4y ago
  Knowing some superartistic and talented people, I generally agree. But Mick's case is very different. Mojang did pay, the guy did write, it's just that the guy wanted more than there was there in the informal agreement. Mick Gordon did sign, idSoftware did not follow the contract, failed to pay on multiple occasions and did not even try to come back to reason in the longer term. Then there's the whole OST story, which is a different kind of evil. Marty Stratton, the producer of the game, played a very dirty game with Gordon with all of the blame shifting and payment problems and that horrible, horrible original reddit post.
  - Jochim 4y ago
    What did Mojang pay for though? That appears to be the point of contention. It sounds like Mojang threw £20k at the author without understanding or articulating what that payment entitled them to. At a later point they realised they didn't own the actual work itself and tried to strong-arm the author into giving them that ownership for effectively nothing. At the time Mojang appears to believe that this could be an issue during due diligence. With the amount of money on the table, even offering a life changing sum to the author would have had a nearly imperceptible affect on the overall balance of the acquisition.

erklik 4y ago

> I am just a flawed guy, not particularly together, who doesn't have next month's rent. This comment by him.. seems to be honestly something that explains quite a bit as to where he's coming from.

LudwigNagasena 4y ago

The posts are very different. "I made my work public domain" sounds a lot more positive than whatever that screed was trying to convey.