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Like how we freeze bank accounts of protesting truck drivers and "right wing extremists"? We should be blushing, as imitation is a form of flattery. Or are we g
by brink 4y ago
Like how we freeze bank accounts of protesting truck drivers and "right wing extremists"? We should be blushing, as imitation is a form of flattery. Or are we going to pretend to be shocked and appalled here, because it's only okay when we do it?
- mywittyname 4y agoThe issue isn't the punishment, it's the crime. There are many crimes for which freezing ones bank account is a pretty good idea. On the list of crimes that this is an inappropriate punishment would be: refusing to wear a piece of fabric on your head for the arbitrary reason that some book says it should be so. I want the punishments to fit the crime. I'm okay with murders going to jail. I'm not okay with jay walkers going to jail.
- chrismcb 4y agoMost crimes are a crime "because some book says it should be" that book is typically a law book, but still.
- version_five 4y agoThen wait until you hear how Canada handled peaceful protestors
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- akiselev 4y agoSpotted the absolutist. That’s how you tell the difference between a philosopher and theologian.
- brink 4y agoI don't completely agree with joifw's sentiment, but philosophy sits on thin ice when everything inevitably means nothing in the end.
- akiselev 4y agoThat's the edgy layman's philosophy, aka nihilism. It's a branch of philosophy most philosophers don't take very seriously, if at all.
- HKH2 4y agoThe best thing about philosophy is you can just make an argument without appealing to authority.
- akiselev 4y agoYou call it "appealing to authority," I call it "standing on the shoulders of giants." It's philosophy for god's sake. There is no authority [callback]. You can cherry pick which parts you believe and it doesn't make a damn bit of difference. [callback] Except if you're a theologian... which is why most philosophers take the theologian subset even less seriously than they do the existential nihilists.
- HKH2 4y agoYou say there is no authority, yet you keep appealing to it. Who cares what is in vogue in philosophy? Just respond with an argument.
- lepus 4y agoConsidering you created multiple accounts to promote a viewpoint to create a false sense of consensus rather than arguing in good faith, I'd say maybe god could have taught you more ethics https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=fjweoijf https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=fjweoijf
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- HKH2 4y agoBLM protesters attacked people in cars. What would you do if that happened to you?
- Eddy_Viscosity2 4y ago"Most jarring of all, the law grants civil immunity to drivers who ram into protesting crowds and even injure or kill participants, if they claim the protests made them concerned for their own well-being in the moment." That's a pretty low bar to get away with murder. But at least they had access to their bank accounts right up until a car smashed their bodies into the asphalt.
- HKH2 4y agoIf the protesters weren't directly threatening the people in the car, I agree. It's becoming more and more obvious that laws are ineffective without a shared culture.
- throw_a_grenade 4y agoI'm sorry to discuss meta-HN and scores, but judging from the upvotes it clearly is about punishment (not about the crime, this subject is pretty clear to everyone here).
- ajsnigrutin 4y agoCrimes are relative and sometimes very localized. > refusing to wear a piece of fabric on your head for the arbitrary reason that some book says it should be so. What abouts (not) wearing pants and underwear infront of children? > I want the punishments to fit the crime. I'm okay with murders going to jail. I'm not okay with jay walkers going to jail. How do you know someone actually commited murder? Shouldn't there be a process, with investigations, lawyers, proof, judges, juries, etc. first?
- quantified 4y agoBeing naked should not be a crime anywhere.
- version_five 4y agoThis was basically the first thing I though too. It will be interesting to see if the Canadian government, or any of the media says anything about it. It looks like Iran is using us as a model for how to deal with protestors
- givemeethekeys 4y agoThe Canadian government was very quick to criticize China's response to the recent protests against lockdowns. Truly breathtaking how these same people were calling for financial and physical consequences for anyone who opposed lockdowns and vaccinations less than a year ago.
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- Maximus9000 4y agoExcept the "freedom convoy" people were committing real crimes. Blocking an international bridge is very illegal.
- givemeethekeys 4y agoNot wearing a hijab is very illegal.
- pupppet 4y agoNot a fair comparison. Iranian women never agreed to the hijab law and truckers were perfectly fine with the law against blocking bridges, until they weren't.
- ars 4y agoNeither one of your assertions is true. Most Iranian women (and Muslim women in general) support the hijab law. Not all do of course, but to claim that women are opposed to this is not true. And of course there are those who support wearing a hijab, but oppose the penalty. And what makes you think truckers were OK with a law banning protests that block a bridge? I suspect truckers have never been OK with a law limiting their protests, it just never came up before.
- pupppet 4y agoSo Iranian women voted in the govt who implemented the hijab law?
- selimthegrim 4y agoMost Muslim countries do not have a hijab law
- AnimalMuppet 4y agoBecause when the protesters weren't the truckers, the truckers would be the ones being blocked by the protests. So, yeah, I strongly suspect that the truckers were fine with the law banning protests that blocked the bridge, until they were themselves the protesters.
- mensetmanusman 4y agoYes, the west abuses bank freezes. It’s still seems crazy to lose money because your hair is destabilizing to society.
- HKH2 4y agoDon't you have to understand a culture before you understand where its laws fit? Doesn't a culture determine its laws?
- mensetmanusman 4y agoYes, they inform the laws. It’s okay for other cultures to think that it seems crazy to punish someone for showing hair.
- HKH2 4y agoUnfortunately, that idea is never evenly applied.
- seanmcdirmid 4y agoI'm guessing you are referring to Canada and the American-funded Canadian truck driver protests?