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At least, data won’t be harvested for commercial use (as Google does). Apple clearly is leading in security.

by aborsy 4y ago

cglong 4y ago
Except that Android has had E2E encrypted backups since 2018 https://security.googleblog.com/2018/10/google-and-android-have-your-back-by.html https://security.googleblog.com/2018/10/google-and-android-h...
- aborsy 4y ago
  You are right. I guess I was thinking that none of the FANG provides a “desktop” client app with e2e. But Android already collects a lot data from the device before encrypting.
  - Melatonic 4y ago
    Most of which you can opt out of
    - lern_too_spel 4y ago
      Indeed, you can opt out of more of it on Android than you can on iOS. Try to get your location on iOS without telling Apple. You can't. Try installing an app without telling Apple. Same. Even MacOS is infected with this privacy invading nonsense that I can't opt out of. It has an Apple News app that I can't uninstall, and whenever anybody sends an Apple News link, even in a private tab, it opens the Apple News app, a handler that I can't disable, sending the article I want to read together with my Apple ID to Apple.
- v0idzer0 4y ago
  Android is a steamy pile of privacy violations, but yes they do have this one feature
  - lern_too_spel 4y ago
    Android, by virtue of giving more control to the user, has far fewer privacy violations than iOS for those who care about privacy.
bloppe 4y ago
Apple loves harvesting your data for commercial use https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/340887-apple-sued-for-allegedly-collecting-user-data-violating-its-own-privacy-policies#:~:text=Apple%20Sued%20for%20Allegedly%20Collecting%20User%20Data%2C%20Violating%20Its%20Own%20Privacy%20Policies,-By%20Adrianna%20Nine&text=Apple%20is%20in%20hot%20water,confidential%20than%20it%20really%20is https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/340887-apple-sued-for-all....
- lloeki 4y ago
  > Apple loves harvesting your store interaction data within store apps for commercial use FTFY. Please stop spinning that as if Apple were siphoning every single of one's moves everywhere, irrespective of any telemetry setting one has set. Both the linked piece and the reporter's Twitter thread seem to have taken great care to bury behind clickbait headlines and scary words the fact that this applies only to App Store, Books, Apple TV, and iTunes Store apps, which are all "store" apps (presumably that's where commercial stuff typically happens) that used to outright be webviews (not entirely sure they are 100% native as of today). I don't think anyone would be appalled if a React-based web app would send vast amounts of requests based on user interaction. So yeah, they should probably not collect as much data as that and probably should have a toggle to nerf such data collection within the store apps (which is not the same as OS/actual app/service telemetry), but the way things keep getting spinned is beyond ridiculous and does not help in improving anything.

At least, data won’t be harvested for commercial use (as Google does). Apple clearly is leading in security.

by aborsy 4y ago

At least, data won’t be harvested for commercial use (as Google does). Apple clearly is leading in security.

Except that Android has had E2E encrypted backups since 2018 https://security.googleblog.com/2018/10/google-and-android-have-your-back-by.html https://security.googleblog.com/2018/10/google-and-android-h...

aborsy 4y ago
You are right. I guess I was thinking that none of the FANG provides a “desktop” client app with e2e. But Android already collects a lot data from the device before encrypting.
- Melatonic 4y ago
  Most of which you can opt out of
  - lern_too_spel 4y ago
    Indeed, you can opt out of more of it on Android than you can on iOS. Try to get your location on iOS without telling Apple. You can't. Try installing an app without telling Apple. Same. Even MacOS is infected with this privacy invading nonsense that I can't opt out of. It has an Apple News app that I can't uninstall, and whenever anybody sends an Apple News link, even in a private tab, it opens the Apple News app, a handler that I can't disable, sending the article I want to read together with my Apple ID to Apple.
v0idzer0 4y ago
Android is a steamy pile of privacy violations, but yes they do have this one feature
- lern_too_spel 4y ago
  Android, by virtue of giving more control to the user, has far fewer privacy violations than iOS for those who care about privacy.

bloppe 4y ago

Apple loves harvesting your data for commercial use https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/340887-apple-sued-for-allegedly-collecting-user-data-violating-its-own-privacy-policies#:~:text=Apple%20Sued%20for%20Allegedly%20Collecting%20User%20Data%2C%20Violating%20Its%20Own%20Privacy%20Policies,-By%20Adrianna%20Nine&text=Apple%20is%20in%20hot%20water,confidential%20than%20it%20really%20is https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/340887-apple-sued-for-all....

lloeki 4y ago
> Apple loves harvesting your store interaction data within store apps for commercial use FTFY. Please stop spinning that as if Apple were siphoning every single of one's moves everywhere, irrespective of any telemetry setting one has set. Both the linked piece and the reporter's Twitter thread seem to have taken great care to bury behind clickbait headlines and scary words the fact that this applies only to App Store, Books, Apple TV, and iTunes Store apps, which are all "store" apps (presumably that's where commercial stuff typically happens) that used to outright be webviews (not entirely sure they are 100% native as of today). I don't think anyone would be appalled if a React-based web app would send vast amounts of requests based on user interaction. So yeah, they should probably not collect as much data as that and probably should have a toggle to nerf such data collection within the store apps (which is not the same as OS/actual app/service telemetry), but the way things keep getting spinned is beyond ridiculous and does not help in improving anything.