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Depends on the target language, with german: Ц -> Z Ш -> Sch Ч -> Tsch one could argue that german should also have one character for the "sch"-Sound instea

by gsich 4y ago

Depends on the target language, with german: Ц -> Z Ш -> Sch Ч -> Tsch one could argue that german should also have one character for the "sch"-Sound instead of 3.

nine_k 4y ago
Diacritics exist, and German happily üses them. So the Czech variant, where č = ч, š = ш, ž = ж looks fine to me. The postfix-h notation was a good idea, but the fact that e.g. "ch" is interpreted differently in English, German, and French derails it instantly :(
- troad 4y ago
  I wish East Slavic languages were more consistently transliterated into something like Czech. I don’t understand the trend to transliterate into English, where you end up with hard to parse compounds like “shzh” and idiosyncratic mixes of Ys, Is, Js, not to even mention the various acutes and apostrophes…
  - Asooka 4y ago
    We don't have Czech letters on our keyboards. That is pretty much the entire reason - it's hard to impossible to type these characters on a standard US QWERTY keyboard, so we don't. Plus the DOS systems will probably balk at them as well.
    - nine_k 4y ago
      You don't need Czech letters on your keyboard; I don't have them on mine. That's the beauty of diacritics: they are compositional. I use compose key to type various letters like é, č, ö, ø, æ, ï, etc on my plain American ANSI keyboard. OTOH to type fast, you might want a more ergonomic input mechanism. (But I won't dive into the rabbit hole of really ergonomic keyboard layouts; if you're curious, search for KMonad, and think about e.g. the convenience of having modifier keys right in the home row.)
      - the_gipsy 4y ago
        Do you use kmonad to customize those mappings? I happen to write in Spanish and German, for which the us-international layout is just perfect. But I did customize my xkb for some other keys, and I used to use kmonad before.
        nine_k 4y ago
        If I wrote a ton of German, or Swedish, or Czech, I'd likley create a layer dedicated to these letters with diacritics, just to access them in 2 keypresses rather than in 3.
    - gsich 4y ago
      So? Keyboard layouts are not hardcoded. The dead key concept also works there. No need to strike for DOS compatibility anymore.

by gsich 4y ago

Depends on the target language, with german: Ц -> Z Ш -> Sch Ч -> Tsch one could argue that german should also have one character for the "sch"-Sound instead of 3.

nine_k 4y ago

Diacritics exist, and German happily üses them. So the Czech variant, where č = ч, š = ш, ž = ж looks fine to me. The postfix-h notation was a good idea, but the fact that e.g. "ch" is interpreted differently in English, German, and French derails it instantly :(

troad 4y ago
I wish East Slavic languages were more consistently transliterated into something like Czech. I don’t understand the trend to transliterate into English, where you end up with hard to parse compounds like “shzh” and idiosyncratic mixes of Ys, Is, Js, not to even mention the various acutes and apostrophes…
- Asooka 4y ago
  We don't have Czech letters on our keyboards. That is pretty much the entire reason - it's hard to impossible to type these characters on a standard US QWERTY keyboard, so we don't. Plus the DOS systems will probably balk at them as well.
  - nine_k 4y ago
    You don't need Czech letters on your keyboard; I don't have them on mine. That's the beauty of diacritics: they are compositional. I use compose key to type various letters like é, č, ö, ø, æ, ï, etc on my plain American ANSI keyboard. OTOH to type fast, you might want a more ergonomic input mechanism. (But I won't dive into the rabbit hole of really ergonomic keyboard layouts; if you're curious, search for KMonad, and think about e.g. the convenience of having modifier keys right in the home row.)
    - the_gipsy 4y ago
      Do you use kmonad to customize those mappings? I happen to write in Spanish and German, for which the us-international layout is just perfect. But I did customize my xkb for some other keys, and I used to use kmonad before.
      - nine_k 4y ago
        If I wrote a ton of German, or Swedish, or Czech, I'd likley create a layer dedicated to these letters with diacritics, just to access them in 2 keypresses rather than in 3.
  - gsich 4y ago
    So? Keyboard layouts are not hardcoded. The dead key concept also works there. No need to strike for DOS compatibility anymore.