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Please bear in mind that the site this is on appears to be a Russian propaganda machine. This story may have some validity to it - I haven't investigated yet -

Please bear in mind that the site this is on appears to be a Russian propaganda machine. This story may have some validity to it - I haven't investigated yet - but a quick browse of the front page consists primarily of anti-ukraine conspiracy pages.

WarOnPrivacy 4y ago
Not sure why you were downvoted. From what I can tell, you aren't wrong. The site has a history of alignment with Kremlin and Beijing interests. (ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grayzone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grayzone) This particular story doesn't seem egregious however. Thinking the worst, I can speculate how it might support a western surveillance state narrative. A too often accurate narrative, unfortunately. addendum: The columnist seems kind of colorful. ref: https://twitter.com/KitKlarenberg https://twitter.com/KitKlarenberg My vibe is he pubs where he can and isn't uncomfortable with authoritarian groups. ref: https://muckrack.com/kit-klarenberg https://muckrack.com/kit-klarenberg
- miguelazo 4y ago
  - _kbh_ 4y ago
    > “ Alignment with Kremlin and Beijing interests"? Care to provide some evidence? They hire a lot of people that used to work for Russian state sponsored propaganda outlets and have a harshly pro Russian view of the Ukraine war with literally 0 objective analysis.
    - miguelazo 4y ago
      Objective to who, exactly? Care to name these people who supposedly worked for RT? Someone like Chris Hedges? The guy who worked for NYT and won a Pulitzer, but left because he got tired of the lies they were printing for the security state?
      - _kbh_ 4y ago
        Objective to the truth is who, go find a retraction from them for anything regarding the war, or go find a single article of them calling out Russian war crimes we have caught on camera. Speaking on the credibility for Russian “news outlets”, are you telling you seriously believe these stories are true?. Ukraine using black magic battalions - RIA - https://www.newsweek.com/russian-media-accuse-ukraine-using-black-magic-invasion-falters-1703510?amp=1 https://www.newsweek.com/russian-media-accuse-ukraine-using-...
  - anigbrowl 4y ago
    Go back to halfchan.
- arminiusreturns 4y ago
  This is such a bullshit take on the GrayZone, which does great work (that yes, goes often against the mainstream views as force-shoved down peoples mind-throats). The fact that you then link Muckrack tells me you are not an honest actor, or interested in the truth.
  - InTheArena 4y ago
    I'll stick with Wikipedia: Max Blumenthal (born December 18, 1977) is an American journalist, author and blogger who is the editor of The Grayzone website, which is known for spreading conspiracy theories and engaging in denial of atrocities committed by dictatorial regimes.[2][3][4][5][6] He was a writer for The Nation, AlterNet,[7] The Daily Beast, Al Akhbar, and Media Matters for America,[8][9] and has contributed to Al Jazeera English, The New York Times and the Los Angeles Times.[8] He has been a writing fellow of the Nation Institute.[10] He is a regular contributor to Russian state-owned Sputnik and RT, and has been accused of spreading Russian propaganda.[11][12][13]
    - uoaei 4y ago
      Wikipedia is one of the main targets for astroturfing campaigns. You might as well be saying "I prefer to be propagandized"
      - miguelazo 4y ago
        Exactly! That skeeze Jimmy Wales is on record going after them himself.
  - WarOnPrivacy 4y ago
    > This is such a bullcrap take on the GrayZone, which does great work (that yes, goes often against the mainstream views as force-shoved down peoples mind-throats). I noted the site's history of publishing stories that aligned with Kremlin and Beijing interests - which is not any kind of comment of the quality of the content. It is interesting that you felt it was. > The fact that you then link Muckrack tells me you are not an honest actor, or interested in the truth. I keyworded the author's name on DDG and the Muckrack result popped up. That's my history with Muckrack. Their bio page had lots of sites where the author published; it listed more sites of publication than anyone else. That's why I linked it. Based on this, you assert that I am dishonest and infer I am untruthful. Did you come to this conclusion because I failed to signal in a way that makes you feel safe?
- kornhole 4y ago
  The Grayzone is a fully independent reader funded site publishing articles that often challenge US and British government media stories. They have no affiliation or loyalty to China or Russia.
  - InTheArena 4y ago
    untrue Max Blumenthal (born December 18, 1977) is an American journalist, author and blogger who is the editor of The Grayzone website, which is known for spreading conspiracy theories and engaging in denial of atrocities committed by dictatorial regimes.[2][3][4][5][6] He was a writer for The Nation, AlterNet,[7] The Daily Beast, Al Akhbar, and Media Matters for America,[8][9] and has contributed to Al Jazeera English, The New York Times and the Los Angeles Times.[8] He has been a writing fellow of the Nation Institute.[10] He is a regular contributor to Russian state-owned Sputnik and RT, and has been accused of spreading Russian propaganda.[11][12][13]
- solarkraft 4y ago
  > Max Blumenthal (...) who is the editor of The Grayzone website (...) is a regular contributor to Russian state-owned Sputnik and RT Oh well.
  - miguelazo 4y ago
    OMG, he contributed to Sputnik and RT? Totally a Kremlin asset. Can’t wait for all the CIA assets who contribute to VoA, NPR, etc. to get outed on Wikipedia too. Oh wait, but we’re the “good” guys, so it’s different, right? Right?
- uoaei 4y ago
  > The site has a history of alignment with Kremlin and Beijing interests. Critiques of US policy do not imply support for Russian or Chinese policy. Explanations of Russian or Chinese rationale in responses to US actions are not the same as condoning those responses. Sun Tzu says, know your enemy; how can you know your enemy if you don't even know how they think? This kind of analysis is important for understanding how geopolitics proceeds, and quickly illuminates the ways that state actors act to prolong profitable conflicts, since the responses to certain actions are obvious and inevitable in the grand scheme. Discomfort in the face of critique is not proof that those critiques are invalid... I, for one, as a US citizen, would rather the US address its own issues so that others don't have standing to criticize its policies and actions. Obviating propaganda is way more effective than censoring it, and for these kinds of critiques almost surely improves quality of life and GDP for its own citizens.
miguelazo 4y ago
"I haven't investigated yet". Clearly. As your attack on the site's credibility appears to be based on nothing more than their dogged questioning of the dominant US narrative about the US proxy war against Russia.
- InTheArena 4y ago
  Hello Margarita Simonyan.
  - miguelazo 4y ago
    So clever you have to resort to attacking the commenter instead of the substance. Nice. Exactly like the people who claim the Grazyzone is a front for the Kremlin/Beijing/etc with zero evidence.
    - InTheArena 4y ago
      Hmm. This poster uses the exact same arguments Margarita regularly makes on Russian "news" channels to justify the bombing of children, the rape and murder of women, the destruction of civilian infrastructure, and the other crimes against humanity that Russia is engaged with. 10/10 match. As for the investigation, this is what it popped up with: Max Blumenthal (born December 18, 1977) is an American journalist, author and blogger who is the editor of The Grayzone website, which is known for spreading conspiracy theories and engaging in denial of atrocities committed by dictatorial regimes.[2][3][4][5][6] He was a writer for The Nation, AlterNet,[7] The Daily Beast, Al Akhbar, and Media Matters for America,[8][9] and has contributed to Al Jazeera English, The New York Times and the Los Angeles Times.[8] He has been a writing fellow of the Nation Institute.[10] He is a regular contributor to Russian state-owned Sputnik and RT, and has been accused of spreading Russian propaganda.[11][12][13] You choose to interpret pointing that out as an attack.
      - miguelazo 4y ago
        Ooooh! He has contributed to Sputnik and RT! Must be a Kremlin spy, just like everyone who contributes to NPR and VoA is a CIA asset. Get a clue.
greenyoda 4y ago
As an alternate source, here's a story that the WSJ did on Anomaly Six in 2020: https://archive.ph/lcuvc https://archive.ph/lcuvc

WarOnPrivacy 4y ago

Not sure why you were downvoted. From what I can tell, you aren't wrong. The site has a history of alignment with Kremlin and Beijing interests. (ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grayzone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grayzone) This particular story doesn't seem egregious however. Thinking the worst, I can speculate how it might support a western surveillance state narrative. A too often accurate narrative, unfortunately. addendum: The columnist seems kind of colorful. ref: https://twitter.com/KitKlarenberg https://twitter.com/KitKlarenberg My vibe is he pubs where he can and isn't uncomfortable with authoritarian groups. ref: https://muckrack.com/kit-klarenberg https://muckrack.com/kit-klarenberg

miguelazo 4y ago
- _kbh_ 4y ago
  > “ Alignment with Kremlin and Beijing interests"? Care to provide some evidence? They hire a lot of people that used to work for Russian state sponsored propaganda outlets and have a harshly pro Russian view of the Ukraine war with literally 0 objective analysis.
  - miguelazo 4y ago
    Objective to who, exactly? Care to name these people who supposedly worked for RT? Someone like Chris Hedges? The guy who worked for NYT and won a Pulitzer, but left because he got tired of the lies they were printing for the security state?
    - _kbh_ 4y ago
      Objective to the truth is who, go find a retraction from them for anything regarding the war, or go find a single article of them calling out Russian war crimes we have caught on camera. Speaking on the credibility for Russian “news outlets”, are you telling you seriously believe these stories are true?. Ukraine using black magic battalions - RIA - https://www.newsweek.com/russian-media-accuse-ukraine-using-black-magic-invasion-falters-1703510?amp=1 https://www.newsweek.com/russian-media-accuse-ukraine-using-...
- anigbrowl 4y ago
  Go back to halfchan.
arminiusreturns 4y ago
This is such a bullshit take on the GrayZone, which does great work (that yes, goes often against the mainstream views as force-shoved down peoples mind-throats). The fact that you then link Muckrack tells me you are not an honest actor, or interested in the truth.
- InTheArena 4y ago
  I'll stick with Wikipedia: Max Blumenthal (born December 18, 1977) is an American journalist, author and blogger who is the editor of The Grayzone website, which is known for spreading conspiracy theories and engaging in denial of atrocities committed by dictatorial regimes.[2][3][4][5][6] He was a writer for The Nation, AlterNet,[7] The Daily Beast, Al Akhbar, and Media Matters for America,[8][9] and has contributed to Al Jazeera English, The New York Times and the Los Angeles Times.[8] He has been a writing fellow of the Nation Institute.[10] He is a regular contributor to Russian state-owned Sputnik and RT, and has been accused of spreading Russian propaganda.[11][12][13]
  - uoaei 4y ago
    Wikipedia is one of the main targets for astroturfing campaigns. You might as well be saying "I prefer to be propagandized"
    - miguelazo 4y ago
      Exactly! That skeeze Jimmy Wales is on record going after them himself.
- WarOnPrivacy 4y ago
  > This is such a bullcrap take on the GrayZone, which does great work (that yes, goes often against the mainstream views as force-shoved down peoples mind-throats). I noted the site's history of publishing stories that aligned with Kremlin and Beijing interests - which is not any kind of comment of the quality of the content. It is interesting that you felt it was. > The fact that you then link Muckrack tells me you are not an honest actor, or interested in the truth. I keyworded the author's name on DDG and the Muckrack result popped up. That's my history with Muckrack. Their bio page had lots of sites where the author published; it listed more sites of publication than anyone else. That's why I linked it. Based on this, you assert that I am dishonest and infer I am untruthful. Did you come to this conclusion because I failed to signal in a way that makes you feel safe?
kornhole 4y ago
The Grayzone is a fully independent reader funded site publishing articles that often challenge US and British government media stories. They have no affiliation or loyalty to China or Russia.
- InTheArena 4y ago
  untrue Max Blumenthal (born December 18, 1977) is an American journalist, author and blogger who is the editor of The Grayzone website, which is known for spreading conspiracy theories and engaging in denial of atrocities committed by dictatorial regimes.[2][3][4][5][6] He was a writer for The Nation, AlterNet,[7] The Daily Beast, Al Akhbar, and Media Matters for America,[8][9] and has contributed to Al Jazeera English, The New York Times and the Los Angeles Times.[8] He has been a writing fellow of the Nation Institute.[10] He is a regular contributor to Russian state-owned Sputnik and RT, and has been accused of spreading Russian propaganda.[11][12][13]
solarkraft 4y ago
> Max Blumenthal (...) who is the editor of The Grayzone website (...) is a regular contributor to Russian state-owned Sputnik and RT Oh well.
- miguelazo 4y ago
  OMG, he contributed to Sputnik and RT? Totally a Kremlin asset. Can’t wait for all the CIA assets who contribute to VoA, NPR, etc. to get outed on Wikipedia too. Oh wait, but we’re the “good” guys, so it’s different, right? Right?
uoaei 4y ago
> The site has a history of alignment with Kremlin and Beijing interests. Critiques of US policy do not imply support for Russian or Chinese policy. Explanations of Russian or Chinese rationale in responses to US actions are not the same as condoning those responses. Sun Tzu says, know your enemy; how can you know your enemy if you don't even know how they think? This kind of analysis is important for understanding how geopolitics proceeds, and quickly illuminates the ways that state actors act to prolong profitable conflicts, since the responses to certain actions are obvious and inevitable in the grand scheme. Discomfort in the face of critique is not proof that those critiques are invalid... I, for one, as a US citizen, would rather the US address its own issues so that others don't have standing to criticize its policies and actions. Obviating propaganda is way more effective than censoring it, and for these kinds of critiques almost surely improves quality of life and GDP for its own citizens.

miguelazo 4y ago

"I haven't investigated yet". Clearly. As your attack on the site's credibility appears to be based on nothing more than their dogged questioning of the dominant US narrative about the US proxy war against Russia.

InTheArena 4y ago
Hello Margarita Simonyan.
- miguelazo 4y ago
  So clever you have to resort to attacking the commenter instead of the substance. Nice. Exactly like the people who claim the Grazyzone is a front for the Kremlin/Beijing/etc with zero evidence.
  - InTheArena 4y ago
    Hmm. This poster uses the exact same arguments Margarita regularly makes on Russian "news" channels to justify the bombing of children, the rape and murder of women, the destruction of civilian infrastructure, and the other crimes against humanity that Russia is engaged with. 10/10 match. As for the investigation, this is what it popped up with: Max Blumenthal (born December 18, 1977) is an American journalist, author and blogger who is the editor of The Grayzone website, which is known for spreading conspiracy theories and engaging in denial of atrocities committed by dictatorial regimes.[2][3][4][5][6] He was a writer for The Nation, AlterNet,[7] The Daily Beast, Al Akhbar, and Media Matters for America,[8][9] and has contributed to Al Jazeera English, The New York Times and the Los Angeles Times.[8] He has been a writing fellow of the Nation Institute.[10] He is a regular contributor to Russian state-owned Sputnik and RT, and has been accused of spreading Russian propaganda.[11][12][13] You choose to interpret pointing that out as an attack.
    - miguelazo 4y ago
      Ooooh! He has contributed to Sputnik and RT! Must be a Kremlin spy, just like everyone who contributes to NPR and VoA is a CIA asset. Get a clue.

greenyoda 4y ago

As an alternate source, here's a story that the WSJ did on Anomaly Six in 2020: https://archive.ph/lcuvc https://archive.ph/lcuvc