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> Which makes sense actually, who wouldn’t come to Seattle for a free tiny house and free things at the store (since shoplifting isn’t prosecuted anymore)? I w

> Which makes sense actually, who wouldn’t come to Seattle for a free tiny house and free things at the store (since shoplifting isn’t prosecuted anymore)? I wouldn't. Would you? Neither would anyone who's at, above, or even slightly below that station in life. That's the thing right, obviously this logic fails once you have a job, friends and some level of comfort. This is what we should actually be investing in.

kortilla 4y ago
> I wouldn't. Would you? No, but I’ve encountered many people across the spectrum from lower class to upper middle class who for some reason have no problem with stealing from businesses. Even less reticent if it’s a big chain. > Neither would anyone who's at, above, or even slightly below that station in life. Your model of people is incorrect. This is even touched on in an episode of Seinfeld where the parents casually mention “only stealing necessities like batteries”.
- arcticbull 4y ago
  > No, but I’ve encountered many people across the spectrum from lower class to upper middle class who for some reason have no problem with stealing from businesses. What does this have to do with moving across the country to live in a tiny house with a bunch of homeless people? Do you know anyone who would do that? Personally I don't. I also don't personally know anyone who shoplifts once they turned 20. > Your model of people is incorrect. Thanks, gonna disagree, although your citing a comedy TV series that ended in the 90s did nearly sway me.
  - seanmcdirmid 4y ago
    > What does this have to do with moving across the country to live in a tiny house with a bunch of homeless people? If you don't have better options, why not? Great Falls Montana isn't a great place to be homeless, especially when winter hits.
    - arcticbull 4y ago
      > If you don't have better options, why not? This is exactly my point. Our goal as a society should be to make sure that nobody's in a position where moving to Seattle and living in a tiny house stealing from a Walgreens is a better situation. This is what I meant when I said: "That's the thing right, obviously this logic fails once you have a job, friends and some level of comfort. This is what we should actually be investing in."
  - kortilla 4y ago
    > Thanks, gonna disagree, “I’m gonna bury my head in the sand for no reason.” > citing a comedy TV series that ended in the 90s Your appeal to absurdity isn’t helping here. Shoplifting hasn’t changed since then and it was on the show precisely because of the weird social divide around it. Let me help you out with some Wikipedia since you’re shooting from the gut on this one: > Economists say shoplifting is common because it is a relatively unskilled crime with low entry barriers that can be fitted into a normal lifestyle. People of every nation, race, ethnicity, gender and social class shoplift. Originally, analysis of data about apprehended shoplifters and interviews with store detectives suggested that females were almost twice as likely as males to shoplift. However, since 1980, the data suggest that males are equally or more likely to shoplift than females. The average shoplifter first did it at the age of ten: shoplifting tends to peak in adolescence then steadily declines thereafter. People of all races shoplift equally, and poor people shoplift only slightly more than rich people.[8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoplifting#Economist_perspectives https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoplifting#Economist_perspect...

kortilla 4y ago

> I wouldn't. Would you? No, but I’ve encountered many people across the spectrum from lower class to upper middle class who for some reason have no problem with stealing from businesses. Even less reticent if it’s a big chain. > Neither would anyone who's at, above, or even slightly below that station in life. Your model of people is incorrect. This is even touched on in an episode of Seinfeld where the parents casually mention “only stealing necessities like batteries”.

arcticbull 4y ago
> No, but I’ve encountered many people across the spectrum from lower class to upper middle class who for some reason have no problem with stealing from businesses. What does this have to do with moving across the country to live in a tiny house with a bunch of homeless people? Do you know anyone who would do that? Personally I don't. I also don't personally know anyone who shoplifts once they turned 20. > Your model of people is incorrect. Thanks, gonna disagree, although your citing a comedy TV series that ended in the 90s did nearly sway me.
- seanmcdirmid 4y ago
  > What does this have to do with moving across the country to live in a tiny house with a bunch of homeless people? If you don't have better options, why not? Great Falls Montana isn't a great place to be homeless, especially when winter hits.
  - arcticbull 4y ago
    > If you don't have better options, why not? This is exactly my point. Our goal as a society should be to make sure that nobody's in a position where moving to Seattle and living in a tiny house stealing from a Walgreens is a better situation. This is what I meant when I said: "That's the thing right, obviously this logic fails once you have a job, friends and some level of comfort. This is what we should actually be investing in."
- kortilla 4y ago
  > Thanks, gonna disagree, “I’m gonna bury my head in the sand for no reason.” > citing a comedy TV series that ended in the 90s Your appeal to absurdity isn’t helping here. Shoplifting hasn’t changed since then and it was on the show precisely because of the weird social divide around it. Let me help you out with some Wikipedia since you’re shooting from the gut on this one: > Economists say shoplifting is common because it is a relatively unskilled crime with low entry barriers that can be fitted into a normal lifestyle. People of every nation, race, ethnicity, gender and social class shoplift. Originally, analysis of data about apprehended shoplifters and interviews with store detectives suggested that females were almost twice as likely as males to shoplift. However, since 1980, the data suggest that males are equally or more likely to shoplift than females. The average shoplifter first did it at the age of ten: shoplifting tends to peak in adolescence then steadily declines thereafter. People of all races shoplift equally, and poor people shoplift only slightly more than rich people.[8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoplifting#Economist_perspectives https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoplifting#Economist_perspect...