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Huh?

by joshu 4y ago

Huh?

fshbbdssbbgdd 4y ago
Not the parent, I can’t speak for them. But sometimes I have a paranoid notion that the managerial and legal class have constructed systems where they contain some liability into a black box, then hire someone unknowing to live in the box. The people outside the box are just designing the process and “relying” on the box to behave as expected. The people inside the box don’t know about the context and therefore don’t have mens rea. Nobody is guilty of a crime. The story in this thread tickles that paranoia. I can imagine a person on one side who has implemented a compliance checking system, where as long as nothing gets flagged by the black box, the system reads “compliant”. It turns out the person in the black box is deleting the non compliant records. But they don’t realize that they are allowing someone to falsely fulfill their compliance certification, they are just making the box work.
- themitigating 4y ago
  "managerial and legal class" implying people of certain professions are involved in a conspiracy is extremely paranoid.
  - fshbbdssbbgdd 4y ago
    I don’t mean to imply that any set of people is inherently “in on” such a conspiracy. I imagine it would evolve organically and every individual case would be different. Lawyers get paid to advise people how to avoid legal liability. Managers get paid to handle problems, and sometimes to recognize which problems the people one level up would rather not know the details of. I don’t think it’s off base to say that managers and lawyers would be involved where there is a scheme like I describe.
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    - themitigating 4y ago
      The hypothetical scheme that you have no evidence for.
      - conorcleary 4y ago
        Or, the framework and basis for all of them.
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  - pasquinelli 4y ago
    people of certain class have shared interests, that's what makes a class. so they broadly act in the same way because they're responding to the same incentives, no conspiracy needed.
    - themitigating 4y ago
      They don't have shared interests, they have shared job descriptions and "managing people " is extremely vague.
  - krageon 4y ago
    Managerial class is not that strange as a concept, they demonstrably do collude and perform favours behind closed doors. Legal class is a little strange, as that is a group of people that are mercenary: They won't really be in on anything, they'll just be paid to facilitate it. They're like a cloud or a tiger: It rains, it eats other animals. That is what it's for.
- ehvatum 4y ago
  The movie Cube is an exploration of your black box concept. https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0123755/ https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0123755/
- Kon-Peki 4y ago
  sheesh. I'm talking about us paying for a file delivery service because we want to make a report about something like total number of dividends announced last week or something like that. You'd be able to do that with a daily corporate action file from about 25 different vendors. But a corporate action file contains a lot more than dividend announcements! The vendor says that for records of type A, characters 12-17 represent a unique ID or something else that is very boring. For records of type B, characters 15-25 represent another ridiculously dumb thing that I do not care about, but the vendor says it will never be missing and will always validate with a checksum algorithm. I'm being pretty opaque on purpose. For this particular SPAC merger, there is always something wrong with the record. And I, being someone who neither built the system nor is authorized to change it, must go in, read the stupid text about the buzzword-filled company description, count 723 empty spaces on a single line to find where the error is located, verify that something is missing, and go have a little meeting where we discuss whether to ask the vendor to fix and resend, edit the file to put dummy data in, or just delete the damn record because nobody on our end cares if it exists. I mean, I guess that could be nefarious, but it's really not. We have to pay extra to get only the stuff we want, so we just get it all and let the hapless developers deal with it.
  - joshu 4y ago
    a million years ago I had to write and automate applying cax to options positions. happy times.
  - fshbbdssbbgdd 4y ago
    Sorry, didn’t mean to go and make your story the object of my most paranoid thoughts. It seemed like someone else was trying to express the same thing I had thought and not succeeding, and I felt inclined to share and maybe help them and myself to be understood.
    - Kon-Peki 4y ago
      No worries. Having been forced to read the various filings by this company, it makes me angry that it could one day be in people's retirement index funds. How that is even possible is worthy of many cynical and potentially paranoid thoughts :)
- foota 4y ago
  Please.

Huh?

by joshu 4y ago

Huh?

Not the parent, I can’t speak for them. But sometimes I have a paranoid notion that the managerial and legal class have constructed systems where they contain some liability into a black box, then hire someone unknowing to live in the box. The people outside the box are just designing the process and “relying” on the box to behave as expected. The people inside the box don’t know about the context and therefore don’t have mens rea. Nobody is guilty of a crime. The story in this thread tickles that paranoia. I can imagine a person on one side who has implemented a compliance checking system, where as long as nothing gets flagged by the black box, the system reads “compliant”. It turns out the person in the black box is deleting the non compliant records. But they don’t realize that they are allowing someone to falsely fulfill their compliance certification, they are just making the box work.

themitigating 4y ago
"managerial and legal class" implying people of certain professions are involved in a conspiracy is extremely paranoid.
- fshbbdssbbgdd 4y ago
  I don’t mean to imply that any set of people is inherently “in on” such a conspiracy. I imagine it would evolve organically and every individual case would be different. Lawyers get paid to advise people how to avoid legal liability. Managers get paid to handle problems, and sometimes to recognize which problems the people one level up would rather not know the details of. I don’t think it’s off base to say that managers and lawyers would be involved where there is a scheme like I describe.
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    [deleted]
  - themitigating 4y ago
    The hypothetical scheme that you have no evidence for.
    - conorcleary 4y ago
      Or, the framework and basis for all of them.
      - deleted 4y ago
        [deleted]
- pasquinelli 4y ago
  people of certain class have shared interests, that's what makes a class. so they broadly act in the same way because they're responding to the same incentives, no conspiracy needed.
  - themitigating 4y ago
    They don't have shared interests, they have shared job descriptions and "managing people " is extremely vague.
- krageon 4y ago
  Managerial class is not that strange as a concept, they demonstrably do collude and perform favours behind closed doors. Legal class is a little strange, as that is a group of people that are mercenary: They won't really be in on anything, they'll just be paid to facilitate it. They're like a cloud or a tiger: It rains, it eats other animals. That is what it's for.
ehvatum 4y ago
The movie Cube is an exploration of your black box concept. https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0123755/ https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0123755/
Kon-Peki 4y ago
sheesh. I'm talking about us paying for a file delivery service because we want to make a report about something like total number of dividends announced last week or something like that. You'd be able to do that with a daily corporate action file from about 25 different vendors. But a corporate action file contains a lot more than dividend announcements! The vendor says that for records of type A, characters 12-17 represent a unique ID or something else that is very boring. For records of type B, characters 15-25 represent another ridiculously dumb thing that I do not care about, but the vendor says it will never be missing and will always validate with a checksum algorithm. I'm being pretty opaque on purpose. For this particular SPAC merger, there is always something wrong with the record. And I, being someone who neither built the system nor is authorized to change it, must go in, read the stupid text about the buzzword-filled company description, count 723 empty spaces on a single line to find where the error is located, verify that something is missing, and go have a little meeting where we discuss whether to ask the vendor to fix and resend, edit the file to put dummy data in, or just delete the damn record because nobody on our end cares if it exists. I mean, I guess that could be nefarious, but it's really not. We have to pay extra to get only the stuff we want, so we just get it all and let the hapless developers deal with it.
- joshu 4y ago
  a million years ago I had to write and automate applying cax to options positions. happy times.
- fshbbdssbbgdd 4y ago
  Sorry, didn’t mean to go and make your story the object of my most paranoid thoughts. It seemed like someone else was trying to express the same thing I had thought and not succeeding, and I felt inclined to share and maybe help them and myself to be understood.
  - Kon-Peki 4y ago
    No worries. Having been forced to read the various filings by this company, it makes me angry that it could one day be in people's retirement index funds. How that is even possible is worthy of many cynical and potentially paranoid thoughts :)
foota 4y ago
Please.