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I mean “off”-balance sheets. Is there an “on”-balanc sheet ? Are there other $adjective-balance sheets ? maybe accounting standards should be updated to reco

I mean “off”-balance sheets. Is there an “on”-balanc sheet ? Are there other $adjective-balance sheets ? maybe accounting standards should be updated to record derivatives risk to take into account interest rate and counterparty risk.

thfuran 4y ago
I'll tell you what goes on between the balance sheets when you're older.
danielmarkbruce 4y ago
In this thread I give an example of the Australian Future Fund and Coke bonds. It shows what is meant by off balance sheet. It's a matter of netting things v not, it's not a matter of just leaving things out.
kasey_junk 4y ago
Off balance sheet is a term of art in this space that means it’s not listed as an asset or liability for the purposes of say fx exposure. The reason for this is that fx swaps dont create exposure to fx or credit swings the way that fx trading or borrowing against future cash flows do because they are fixed rate contracts. There is counterparty risk but a) that is typically mitigated much more cheaply and us generally less risky and b) you’d move the loss “on book” if the counterparty risk shapes up.
- naveen99 4y ago
  i guess its accounting turtles all the way down. thanks for your attempts at clarifying some confusing "terms of art"
  - danielmarkbruce 4y ago
    It's not turtles. Here is an easier hypothetical: Imagine you go to the bank to get a loan for a new tractor for your business. They ask to see a list of your assets and liabilities (your balance sheet). You own a house worth $1 million with no mortgage. You have an insurance policy. You have nothing else. If bushfires start right next to your house as you are meeting the bank manager, you don't say to him/her: I have a house that is worth 900k marked to market because of the bushfire risk, and I marked my insurance policy to be worth $100k. You have a house worth $1 million. The insurance policy is "off balance sheet" despite the fact it could be worth a lot of money.
    - naveen99 4y ago
      Ok, thanks

thfuran 4y ago

I'll tell you what goes on between the balance sheets when you're older.

danielmarkbruce 4y ago

In this thread I give an example of the Australian Future Fund and Coke bonds. It shows what is meant by off balance sheet. It's a matter of netting things v not, it's not a matter of just leaving things out.

kasey_junk 4y ago

Off balance sheet is a term of art in this space that means it’s not listed as an asset or liability for the purposes of say fx exposure. The reason for this is that fx swaps dont create exposure to fx or credit swings the way that fx trading or borrowing against future cash flows do because they are fixed rate contracts. There is counterparty risk but a) that is typically mitigated much more cheaply and us generally less risky and b) you’d move the loss “on book” if the counterparty risk shapes up.

naveen99 4y ago
i guess its accounting turtles all the way down. thanks for your attempts at clarifying some confusing "terms of art"
- danielmarkbruce 4y ago
  It's not turtles. Here is an easier hypothetical: Imagine you go to the bank to get a loan for a new tractor for your business. They ask to see a list of your assets and liabilities (your balance sheet). You own a house worth $1 million with no mortgage. You have an insurance policy. You have nothing else. If bushfires start right next to your house as you are meeting the bank manager, you don't say to him/her: I have a house that is worth 900k marked to market because of the bushfire risk, and I marked my insurance policy to be worth $100k. You have a house worth $1 million. The insurance policy is "off balance sheet" despite the fact it could be worth a lot of money.
  - naveen99 4y ago
    Ok, thanks