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For anyone not familiar with what makes Shakedry so revolutionary is its ability to be waterproof, highly breathable, and incredibly lightweight. Its weight and
by wyre 4y ago
For anyone not familiar with what makes Shakedry so revolutionary is its ability to be waterproof, highly breathable, and incredibly lightweight. Its weight and breathability make it incredible for active sports like cycling or running. These jackets weigh around 100-150g depending on features and size and can pack into the pocket of a cycling Jersey, all while being waterproof and preventing the athlete from overheating.
- acdha 4y ago> waterproof, highly breathable, and incredibly lightweight This is basically the way most outdoors products have been marketed since the previous century so I’m not sure how much we’re actually talking about here. What I was hoping to see in that article was something more quantitative — does “heavy and doesn't breathe as well” mean something is 20% heavier or 200%, etc.?
- paulcole 4y agoThis is what makes ShakeDry so revolutionary. The nonsense brands have been saying about waterproof and breathable is actually real. I’ve done 30 mile runs in the pouring rain w/ my ShakeDry jacket and come out “dry” at the end. The material never wets through. The only downside for me is that it does wear “warm” so I mostly wear it in under 45F degree weather — which coincides nicely with Portland’s rainiest weather. My jacket was around $300 and more than worth every penny.
- loeg 4y ago> The only downside for me is that it does wear “warm” so I mostly wear it in under 45F degree weather Yeah. For cycling, I wear short-sleeved summer jerseys under the Shakedry down into the 30s Fahrenheit. It gets pretty warm and sweaty in the high 40s but beats alternatives. (I'm up in Seattle.)
- _0w8t 4y agoI remember US army like 10 years ago compared different fabrics and have found eVent was performing significantly better than Gore Tex. Does ShakeDry really better than alternative according to some realistic tests?
- bsimpson 4y agoObligatory FortNine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtCdQfbLw7o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtCdQfbLw7o For those who don't know, FortNine is a YouTube channel from a Canadian motorcycle gear seller. Their producer has a physics background and makes excellent videos. Like xkcd, there's a relevant video for so many things even tangentially related to motorcycling.
- paulcole 4y agoShakeDry is much better than eVent in my experience running in very wet weather. eVent is fine for shoes (I’m pretty sure it’s what Altra uses in the weatherproof Lone Peaks) but for both weight and performance, ShakeDry is the better jacket material. I’ve spent way too much money on running gear over the years and ShakeDry laps the field in waterproof + breathable. To be honest, I don’t particularly care what performs best according to research. I’m the one wearing it while running and ShakeDry is best for me.
- flybrand 4y agoDid you work with POLARTEC Neoshell or the North Face Futurelight? There were some bike garments made of similar materials.
- paulcole 4y agoI’ve had Neoshell shoes and they were fine as well. But never worn anything w/ that fabric or Futurelight. But from the branding that is very alpine/mountaineering focused, I’d guess that Futurelight is going to be too warm/heavy to be practical for running.
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- siftrics 4y ago>The only downside for me Not to mention the main downside of getting cancer
- Etheryte 4y agoA small downside of a few fun options [0]: > As a result of a class-action lawsuit and community settlement with DuPont, three epidemiologists conducted studies on the population surrounding a chemical plant that was exposed to PFOA at levels greater than in the general population. Studies have found correlation between high PFOA exposure and six health outcomes: kidney cancer, testicular cancer, ulcerative colitis, thyroid disease, hypercholesterolemia (high cholesterol), and pregnancy-induced hypertension. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfluorooctanoic_acid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfluorooctanoic_acid
- wernercd 4y ago[citation needed]
- takeda 4y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfluorooctanoic_acid#Health_concerns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfluorooctanoic_acid#Health_... Why do you think they are discontinuing it if it is so amazing in what it does?
- JamisonM 4y agoI am a disinterested observer in all this but the issues seem to be in the concentrations involved in the production of the materials, not in the wearing of them. The grandparent comment seems to imply that wearing these materials is a cancer risk but it really doesn't seem like that is the case. Am I wrong? I can't find anything that indicates it is an issue. (I live in an old house with some asbestos-wrapped ducts, I think asbestos is bad and should not be produced anymore but I also think that the duct wrap in my house is not endangering my family.. this seems like that sort of a situation to me.)
- stygiansonic 4y agoSo your sweat is able to evaporate through the membrane leaving you dry? This is the biggest issue I’ve had with so called “breathable” membranes. (I assume you still sweat in < 45F weather because I still sweat even in freezing temperatures when running, depending on other conditions, etc)
- paulcole 4y agoI wear a Patagonia capilene baselayer and am often surprised by how dry everything (both myself and the baselayer) are beneath the ShakeDry jacket. There’s exceptions for sure: harder efforts, slightly warmer temperatures, times when the wrists off of my shirt “wick” water up into the body of the shirt/jacket, etc. Overall though for cold (32-45F) and rainy weather like we get a lot in the PNW, it’s an amazing fabric.
- Raidion 4y agoAs a runner myself, does being waterproof make that much of a difference? I've done pretty cold runs with various layers of under armour (or related) and while you don't stay dry, you do stay warm, and you will dry out pretty quickly if the rain stops. Only thing I can think of would be very rainy and very windy weather but those are pretty rare in my area.
- paulcole 4y agoWhen it’s very wet, being truly waterproof and breathable makes a huge difference. It’s both much more comfortable and keeps me much warmer over the course of a 4-8 hour long run.
- Raidion 4y ago4-8 hour runs! I can't pretend to understand. I'd top out at ~3 hours at max marathon long run. I would love to do an ultra someday, but not sure if my knees are gonna let me. Take a few extra steps for me next time!
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- paulcole 4y agoI don’t eat meat, I’ve never driven a car, I don’t fly in airplanes, I don’t have kids, and I live in a tiny apartment. How many of those are true for you? I’ll allow myself the planet-killing indulgence of the jacket — which pales in comparison to those other steps I’ve taken. Plus, I have a chronic illness that will already likely significantly shorten my life anyway. I’m not too worried about the health effects of a jacket that I wear 75 days a year.
- waste_monk 4y agoIf humanity up and disappeared tomorrow, most of the environmental damage from cars, overpopulation, etc. would sort itself out in a couple of hundred years. PFAS, however, are extremely chemically stable and some of them will still be around in 1,000+ years time. They also bioaccumulate, and biomagnification occurs in predators (similar to mercury). It is a massive problem and the repercussions will be with us for a very long time. If you don't care about your own health, fine. But don't try and take a moral stance about caring for the environment and then complain about PFAS products going away. Being slightly uncomfortable while exercising is a very small price to pay for not screwing up the planet.
- paulcole 4y agoIf humanity goes away, I don’t particularly care about what happens to the environment — because that is a stupid hypothetical. And if you think your energy on environmental consciousness is best spent on getting me to care about jackets, good luck.
- refurb 4y agoIf there are no humans around does life on earth have any value? It’s just another planet among billions.
- qbasic_forever 4y agoIt's night and day different with other waterproof tech. Goretex publishes all the specs you want like hydrostatic head rating (how many mm of water pressure it can withstand), breathability, etc. Shakedry was better and lighter than anything else we've ever seen. The only con against it is that in high abrasion situations (like shoulder areas of jackets when wearing a heavy backpack) it can wear out. People in the outdoor and especially ultralight world loved shakedry.
- acdha 4y agoInteresting. I have a fair amount of older ultralight stuff and while it definitely did the job I certainly felt that there was a sharp knuckle in the price curve where the extra cost wasn’t worth it. Durability is a big factor now though since I’m primarily bike commuting where it’s about daily use & weight is less important.
- analog31 4y ago>>> Durability is a big factor now though since I’m primarily bike commuting where it’s about daily use & weight is less important. Nothing's more annoying than an expensive rain jacket or pants soaking through after a couple years of sporadic use. The crotch and knees of rain pants always wear out from the inside. Sunlight probably damages materials from the outside. More and more I've learned to live without that gear, or to use it sparingly, by timing my trips and wearing fast-drying clothing. But sometimes it's just necessary.
- acdha 4y agoYeap – and the price differential usually means you can buy like 5 pairs of Costco/L.L. Bean-grade stuff which takes the sting out of losing or damaging something, or simply leaving spares at work in case you forget to check the weather. Also, honesty compels me to note that if I wanted to shave weight off of my riding load out it’s a lot cheaper to start at the waistline.
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- keitmo 4y agoFor years I've said "any clothing manufacturer that promises something is both 'waterproof' and 'breathable' is lying to you". Shakedry actually delivers on this promise. FWIW I do endurance cycling in the Seattle area, a.k.a. "The Pacific NorthWET". We tend to stress the hell out of waterproof clothing.
- 1MachineElf 4y agoIn Florida, living between the coast and the everglades, rain is a daily occurrence. Having grown up there for 20 years, I feel that rain doesn't phase me at all. I have questioned the averseness northerners have towards getting wet. Living in Maryland now, so many I've interacted with will just not go outside all day if there is rain. They've been raised by parents who've trained them to wait for the rain to stop, to postpone yardwork, to waste time and space fiddling with umbrellas. Is it just a comfort thing, or is there a real advantage to waterproof/breathable clothing?
- thorncorona 4y agoComfort. Also being wet in warmer temps doesn't really cause you to get sick more vs cold temps.
- bradlys 4y agoRain when it's 40F out hits different. It's not 70 and raining. It makes you much colder.
- VBprogrammer 4y agoI haven't been to Florida for many years but this was my experience, when the rain drops it's like being in a shower. You keep wearing light summer clothing so you dry out quickly even if you get caught.
- cwwc 4y agoI get this — but in the Lakes district (England) or anyplace in Scotland, rain at 40F is still common yet folks are unperturbed and continue their daily outdoor activities.
- stevage 4y agoWeird, I'm a keen cyclist and very into outdoor gear, and I've never heard of it. There are now many waterproof fabrics though, it's very hard to tell one strong claim from another.
- MezzoDelCammin 4y agoDepends what distances are You up to and in what weather. If You bike in warm weather and can simply dry off at home / in a hotel after a race, than no big deal. The cycling jersey might do just fine with some basic windbreaker against the chill. Shakedy is however a gamechanger for anyone doing ultra distance and self supported racing. The ability to bike through a rainy night without worrying about Your upper body being wet is nothing short of amazing. And I say that as a proud owner of a not-too-old Goretex Pro mountain jacket and some older membrane jackets before that.
- hammock 4y agoShakedry is just a bare goretex membrane, as far as I know…aka without the outer shell fabric. Not sure it’s revolutionary. You reduce weight and bulk by eliminating the outer fabric but at the expense of abrasion resistance. Why it works for road cycling but not much else.
- Jolter 4y agoIf the article is right, Shakedry is also heavily treated with perflourated toxic stuff. On the outside, presumably.
- jk7tarYZAQNpTQa 4y agoLike every Gore-Tex product.
- askvictor 4y ago| Why it works for road cycling but not much else. My guess is that road cyclists have a tendency to buy new gear on a shockingly frequent basis, so if your jacket only lasts a year it's not really a problem.
- s0rce 4y agoAnd you don't wear a backpack on a road bike.
- sligor 4y agoRoad cyclists don't wear backpack and don't touch rocks or branches like most other outdoor activities. Backpack + body movement will rub and wear out the naked goretex membrane quickly. And of course, rocks and branches will cut it.
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- loeg 4y agoYeah, I just got one this year and it's amazing. Around 100g, super rain resistant and breathable.
- fnordpiglet 4y agoePTFE and it’s story is amazing. https://www.wired.com/story/how-gore-tex-was-invented/ https://www.wired.com/story/how-gore-tex-was-invented/
- cobalt 4y agoit's a little more complicated actually: http://www.no8rewired.kiwi/nz-inventions/eptfe-aka-goretex/ http://www.no8rewired.kiwi/nz-inventions/eptfe-aka-goretex/
- fnordpiglet 4y agoInteresting story! Thanks.
- Spooky23 4y agoYou stay dry, and increase risk of a host of nasty cancers and environmental devastation.
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- jupp0r 4y agoThe tradeoff here is that it's very prone to abrasion. You can't currently use this technology for purposes like hiking because backpack straps, scraping against rocks etc would put small holes in the external membrane. Perfect for cycling though!
- qwerty456127 4y agoSo does this mean there will be no waterproof+breathable, also reasonably lightweight sportswear from now and until something new is invented?
- IIsi50MHz 4y agoI keep waiting for cheap, durable, hydrophobic aerogel fabrics…