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What aspect of China makes the West look like a 'backwater'? I literally cannot think of a single thing. That doesn't mean China has no positive aspects. The We
by bigDinosaur 4y ago
What aspect of China makes the West look like a 'backwater'? I literally cannot think of a single thing. That doesn't mean China has no positive aspects. The West is also not monolithic.
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago> What aspect of China makes the West look like a 'backwater'? Compare China homicide rates to USA. Or China incarceration rate to USA incarceration rate.
- lpcvoid 4y agoI have not done any research on this and am genuinely interested - why can I trust the numbers the CCP releases on incarceration rate?
- JZM8yKnRvGv 4y agoAccording to stats there are 1.3 million people incarcerated in China. If incarceration rates in China were similar to those in USA it should be 10.3 million people. It would be pretty hard to hide them. USA are by far the number one country in the World for jail population and for incarceration rates, worse even than Putin's Russia. They would love to share the top step of the podium with someone else if they could prove it. The most logical explanation is that they can't, because the numbers are probably not true, but not too far from the truth.
- pistoriusp 4y agoDoes this include the 12.8 million Uyghurs in China?
- otikik 4y agoProbably those are not on the “stats”
- alex_smart 4y agoDo you seriously believe that all 12.8 million Uyghurs in China are literally imprisoned?
- DiogenesKynikos 4y agoThis is what a walk down the street in Urumqi looks like: [0]. It's possible to talk about Xinjiang without going over into hyperbole. 0. https://youtu.be/_OMaUIC4Om8 https://youtu.be/_OMaUIC4Om8
- peoplefromibiza 4y agoSome source to backup this number? Are they actually in prison? IMO the fact that we should be skeptic about China official stats means that we should also refrain from throwing random numbers at the wall hoping it will make China look bad. BTW, two wrongs don't make a right, it's not about what they do wrong, it's about what we do better, like for example, is Guantanamo acceptable in a western democracy?
- torben-friis 4y agoI’d argue that most of the numbers you’ll find apply to the US, not to the west. The US is pretty much known everywhere for having third world shortcomings on specific areas.
- peoplefromibiza 4y agoI agree. The problem is we as westerners are guilty by association. I don't approve of the US methods, nonetheless they represent the west in most non westerner people eyes. we all know that NATO==US even though it should be a coalition. That's why I, as European, hope in a strong and independent EU, at least we'll make our own mistakes.
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- wil421 4y agoChina has less prisoners and the fastest wait times for organ transplants.
- amelius 4y agoThe combination of those two things make it sound very suspicious ...
- TMWNN 4y ago
- philwelch 4y agoAlso, China’s incarceration rates don’t count people who have been welded into their apartments under the zero-COVID policy.
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago> Also, China’s incarceration rates don’t count people who have been welded into their apartments under the zero-COVID policy Do you know any Country that counts that? For example, does the US count the penal labor as labor camps? Potato potato.
- peoplefromibiza 4y agoUS has also many more strip clubs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_trafficking_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_trafficking_in_the_United_... The United States ranks as one of the worst countries in the world for human trafficking Despite a common and widespread misconception, human trafficking is not just a problem outside the US. It also happens here, within United States borders, and in every state. https://deliverfund.org/the-human-trafficking-problem-in-america/where-does-human-trafficking-happen/ https://deliverfund.org/the-human-trafficking-problem-in-ame... Listen, let's have an honest discussion here. What China does better than USA? Less people incarcerated is good, how the prisoners are treated is another issue entirely and of course China can and should be heavily criticized for that. But penal labor for literally cents/day or private prisons as a source of profit or the death penalty are something that the US, above all, should be able to improve on, before lecturing other countries over human rights. Let's talk about “Guantanamo Bay is a site of unparalleled notoriety, defined by the systematic use of torture, and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment against hundreds of men brought to the site and deprived of their most fundamental rights.” This is a statement from "The Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights of the United Nations". What have the consequences been? Nothing. Literally nothing has changed! People have been detained there for years, most of them without any charges, denied of the right to a due process, only because they were Muslims. 39 of those men are still kept captive there as of today, 20 years later, 27 of them have never been charged with any crime, the others have been cleared for transfer years ago, but are still there. Imagine if China did something like that what the US would be saying about it. That's the moral short circuit: if it's wrong it must be wrong for everybody, especially for those claiming to hold in high regards human rights, not only if China or Russia do it.
- FabHK 4y ago> What aspect of China makes the West look like a 'backwater'? Growth, for one.
- mensetmanusman 4y agoIt’s easy to grow with such a low gdp/capita.
- cpursley 4y agoTell that to the nations who've been in a cycle of abject poverty for centuries.
- DiogenesKynikos 4y ago> What aspect of China makes the West look like a 'backwater'? Transportation infrastructure. 5G connectivity.