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I don't know if I'd call it a flop, I didn't even hear about it until right before it came out, was this discussed or hinted about at all before today? The peop

by sidibe 4y ago

I don't know if I'd call it a flop, I didn't even hear about it until right before it came out, was this discussed or hinted about at all before today? The people who like Hunter Biden stories loved it. Elon should think a little harder before getting involved in this stuff. I doubt whether most potential electric car buyers would buy from the MyPillow guy when there is growing competition.

version_five 4y ago
This sort of thing never changes minds, it just entrenches people further in their positions. Same as the daily story about a "Bad Thing Trump Did", nobody really cares, each side just uses it to reinforce conclusions they already have, and it's written for those who already believe. (Same as what I guess will be a bunch of rushed "it was a flop" stories like this one) I definitely agree it's an absolutely pointless thing for Musk to get involved with. I don't see how it could advance any interests he has and it just makes him look like one of these low brow political folks
- johng 4y ago
  I think you are right. Because "journalists" who post stuff like this like it isn't a big deal are seemingly entrenched on one side. I actually tried to post a link to the NY Post story on my Facebook and had it blocked. I was unable to even send the link via the Facebook Messenger to my friends -- the private message was deleted automatically and never sent. The coordination between Big Tech, MSM and Government officials to silence a valid and true story right before an election is a pretty big deal, IMHO. It has a bigger impact when you are one of the people being silenced. To me this is a huge issue. Not a single article about it on CNN, ABC News or CBS News at this point yet either. But there are a ton about the ex-President or about how Twitter is being ruined by Musk. I find that pretty telling.
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  - johng 4y ago
    Valid and True -- The reason many news organizations cited for not posting it was that the data was fake. It was Russian disinformation. We now know that's not true. The data was real, and thusly, a valid and factually correct news story by the NY Post. In other words, there were absolutely no valid reasons to block access to the story or ban the NY Posts accounts, or the WH press secretary's account for linking to it. There was no valid reason to block me from posting it, or sending it via private message to my friends. The only reason was that they simply didn't want the story to get any attention as they knew it would certainly influence some people into NOT voting for Biden.
    - Rapzid 4y ago
      News orgs claimed to know it was fake and Russian disinformation?! Do you have sources for this?
  - anigbrowl 4y ago
    Which government officials set out to silence the Hunter Biden laptop story? There was an email from Democratic Rep. Ro Khanna pointing out that there didn't seem to be any illegality involved and that even if there was, publication would still be protected by the first amendment. > To me this is a huge issue. Not a single article about it on CNN, ABC News or CBS News I just looked at Google News and there were articles about it from CNN and NBC that were published well in advance of your comment, as well as from a large number of smaller mainstream outlets. CBS did not have a story about it but had a recent story about the Hunter Biden laptop being declared genuine. I didn't see anything about it on the ABC website. idk, I have no beef with you saying the big media outlets handled the story badly, but making counterfactual statements of your own in the process makes me doubt your objectivity.
    - johng 4y ago
      I don't see an article on CNN or CBS or ABC about the musk revelations that came tonight on Twitter, feel free to link me? Nothing is on any of their front pages, nor did a google site: search reveal anything to me.
      - anigbrowl 4y ago
        I just went to Google News: https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/02/tech/musk-twitter-hunter-biden/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/02/tech/musk-twitter-hunter-bide... It's the top story in CNN's US News section at the moment, is that good enough for you? I didn't suggest there was anything on CBS or ABC. As I wrote above CBS did not have a story about it but had a recent story about the Hunter Biden laptop being declared genuine. I didn't see anything about it on the ABC website.
        johng 4y ago
        Thank you for the link, I couldn't find any stories on cnn.com -- guess they posted it in the business section? Thanks for the link though.
    - Nomentatus 4y ago
- MBCook 4y ago
  > I don't see how it could advance any interests he has I posted about this at the top level. Yesterday he kicked Kanye off and proved his “free speech” and “no censorship” stance didn’t mean what he portrayed it did. And the far right was turning on him. Today he hyped this and they love him again. Much easier to be loved by one side than hated by both. He seems to have gotten out of a sticky situation. > and it just makes him look like one of these low brow political folks Yep, but he seems to have been playing that card for a few months now.
- clouddrover 4y ago
  > it just makes him look like one of these low brow political folks Musk is one of these low brow political folks. He is an authoritarian by nature. His free advice for Ukraine is to submit to Russia. Ukraine advised Musk to "fuck off": https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/04/zelenskiy-hits-back-as-elon-musk-sets-up-twitter-poll-on-annexed-areas https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/04/zelenskiy-hits... But Russia loved him for it: https://futurism.com/the-byte/russia-loves-elon-musk-now https://futurism.com/the-byte/russia-loves-elon-musk-now His free advice for Taiwan is to submit to China: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/oct/08/elon-musk-taiwan-china-special-administrative-zone-hong-kong https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/oct/08/elon-musk... Musk says China rocks and the US is full of complacency and entitlement: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/31/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-china-rocks-us-full-of-entitlement.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/31/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-china-ro... He ridiculously called California's covid measures fascist: https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/29/21242102/elon-musk-coronavirus-fascist-shelter-in-place-tesla-covid-19-safety-science https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/29/21242102/elon-musk-corona... But had Tesla praise China's covid measures because Tesla "believed Shanghai's COVID-19 measures helped lay the foundation for the city's future development": https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-suspends-production-shanghai-factory-4-days-comply-with-covid-curbs-2022-03-28/ https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-... He's always been like this.
- grappler 4y ago
  If you're a liberal who likes the idea of an electric car, and knew Musk as the Tesla guy, bringing to market sexy electric cars people actually want, and then you see him waging a culture war siding with Trump et al and going well out of his way ($billions out of his way) to dunk on liberals... You're right, it's not going to change you from liberal to conservative. But it absolutely could change how how you feel about Elon Musk and your interest in buying a Tesla. I'm not sure how many coal-rolling giant-pickup-driving climate-denying MAGA types would be interested in Teslas just because Elon has started pandering to them.

by sidibe 4y ago

version_five 4y ago

This sort of thing never changes minds, it just entrenches people further in their positions. Same as the daily story about a "Bad Thing Trump Did", nobody really cares, each side just uses it to reinforce conclusions they already have, and it's written for those who already believe. (Same as what I guess will be a bunch of rushed "it was a flop" stories like this one) I definitely agree it's an absolutely pointless thing for Musk to get involved with. I don't see how it could advance any interests he has and it just makes him look like one of these low brow political folks

johng 4y ago
I think you are right. Because "journalists" who post stuff like this like it isn't a big deal are seemingly entrenched on one side. I actually tried to post a link to the NY Post story on my Facebook and had it blocked. I was unable to even send the link via the Facebook Messenger to my friends -- the private message was deleted automatically and never sent. The coordination between Big Tech, MSM and Government officials to silence a valid and true story right before an election is a pretty big deal, IMHO. It has a bigger impact when you are one of the people being silenced. To me this is a huge issue. Not a single article about it on CNN, ABC News or CBS News at this point yet either. But there are a ton about the ex-President or about how Twitter is being ruined by Musk. I find that pretty telling.
- deleted 4y ago
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- johng 4y ago
  Valid and True -- The reason many news organizations cited for not posting it was that the data was fake. It was Russian disinformation. We now know that's not true. The data was real, and thusly, a valid and factually correct news story by the NY Post. In other words, there were absolutely no valid reasons to block access to the story or ban the NY Posts accounts, or the WH press secretary's account for linking to it. There was no valid reason to block me from posting it, or sending it via private message to my friends. The only reason was that they simply didn't want the story to get any attention as they knew it would certainly influence some people into NOT voting for Biden.
  - Rapzid 4y ago
    News orgs claimed to know it was fake and Russian disinformation?! Do you have sources for this?
- anigbrowl 4y ago
  Which government officials set out to silence the Hunter Biden laptop story? There was an email from Democratic Rep. Ro Khanna pointing out that there didn't seem to be any illegality involved and that even if there was, publication would still be protected by the first amendment. > To me this is a huge issue. Not a single article about it on CNN, ABC News or CBS News I just looked at Google News and there were articles about it from CNN and NBC that were published well in advance of your comment, as well as from a large number of smaller mainstream outlets. CBS did not have a story about it but had a recent story about the Hunter Biden laptop being declared genuine. I didn't see anything about it on the ABC website. idk, I have no beef with you saying the big media outlets handled the story badly, but making counterfactual statements of your own in the process makes me doubt your objectivity.
  - johng 4y ago
    I don't see an article on CNN or CBS or ABC about the musk revelations that came tonight on Twitter, feel free to link me? Nothing is on any of their front pages, nor did a google site: search reveal anything to me.
    - anigbrowl 4y ago
      I just went to Google News: https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/02/tech/musk-twitter-hunter-biden/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/02/tech/musk-twitter-hunter-bide... It's the top story in CNN's US News section at the moment, is that good enough for you? I didn't suggest there was anything on CBS or ABC. As I wrote above CBS did not have a story about it but had a recent story about the Hunter Biden laptop being declared genuine. I didn't see anything about it on the ABC website.
      - johng 4y ago
        Thank you for the link, I couldn't find any stories on cnn.com -- guess they posted it in the business section? Thanks for the link though.
  - Nomentatus 4y ago
MBCook 4y ago
> I don't see how it could advance any interests he has I posted about this at the top level. Yesterday he kicked Kanye off and proved his “free speech” and “no censorship” stance didn’t mean what he portrayed it did. And the far right was turning on him. Today he hyped this and they love him again. Much easier to be loved by one side than hated by both. He seems to have gotten out of a sticky situation. > and it just makes him look like one of these low brow political folks Yep, but he seems to have been playing that card for a few months now.
clouddrover 4y ago
> it just makes him look like one of these low brow political folks Musk is one of these low brow political folks. He is an authoritarian by nature. His free advice for Ukraine is to submit to Russia. Ukraine advised Musk to "fuck off": https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/04/zelenskiy-hits-back-as-elon-musk-sets-up-twitter-poll-on-annexed-areas https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/04/zelenskiy-hits... But Russia loved him for it: https://futurism.com/the-byte/russia-loves-elon-musk-now https://futurism.com/the-byte/russia-loves-elon-musk-now His free advice for Taiwan is to submit to China: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/oct/08/elon-musk-taiwan-china-special-administrative-zone-hong-kong https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/oct/08/elon-musk... Musk says China rocks and the US is full of complacency and entitlement: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/31/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-china-rocks-us-full-of-entitlement.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/31/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-china-ro... He ridiculously called California's covid measures fascist: https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/29/21242102/elon-musk-coronavirus-fascist-shelter-in-place-tesla-covid-19-safety-science https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/29/21242102/elon-musk-corona... But had Tesla praise China's covid measures because Tesla "believed Shanghai's COVID-19 measures helped lay the foundation for the city's future development": https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-suspends-production-shanghai-factory-4-days-comply-with-covid-curbs-2022-03-28/ https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-... He's always been like this.
grappler 4y ago
If you're a liberal who likes the idea of an electric car, and knew Musk as the Tesla guy, bringing to market sexy electric cars people actually want, and then you see him waging a culture war siding with Trump et al and going well out of his way ($billions out of his way) to dunk on liberals... You're right, it's not going to change you from liberal to conservative. But it absolutely could change how how you feel about Elon Musk and your interest in buying a Tesla. I'm not sure how many coal-rolling giant-pickup-driving climate-denying MAGA types would be interested in Teslas just because Elon has started pandering to them.