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> the more division they create, and the more moderates and people on the [opposite side] grow to resent them This feels like a universal to me that applies to

> the more division they create, and the more moderates and people on the [opposite side] grow to resent them This feels like a universal to me that applies to both parties. And I’m sorry, “authoritarian suppression of speech and ideas” is pure propaganda. No mainstream left leaning politician is actually perusing such an idea, it’s a boogeyman created by the right and by the looks of things it’s working great.

BurningFrog 4y ago
It's very common on the left to demand suppression of "hate speech". Of course, that commonly ends up mostly meaning "speech I hate".
- afavour 4y ago
  You’ve made a very vague statement there. There are extremes in every political movement, no doubt. I don’t deny that there are people on the left out there protesting against “hate speech”. There are also people on the right that are out and out racist. I think choosing whether to vote Democrat or Republican based on either of those extremes is a poor choice. OP said: > I would have identified as a Democrat on pretty much every issue, but this authoritarian suppression So we’re not talking about vague “leftists” here, we’re specifically talking about the Democratic Party. You’re going to have a rough time arguing they are campaigning on authoritarianism.
- kevingadd 4y ago
  So in this specific case, for one example, we're talking about Biden's team requesting the removal of revenge porn. Do you think it's acceptable to make that request? Should Twitter be obligated to leave revenge porn up? Is this an example of the 'suppression of "hate speech"' you're referring to with scare quotes? Because it doesn't seem like one to me.
- ruszki 4y ago
  There are several countries in Western Europe where there are such laws, and it never means that.
we_never_see_it 4y ago
nonethewiser 4y ago
In theory yes. But Twitter isn't a mix of liberal and conservative. Its straight left.
- polygamous_bat 4y ago
  Twitter is (or was) filled with young, affluent, highly educated (at least college graduate) city dwellers. By any metric that's a demographics that leans heavily left. How is that a surprise that Twitter was straight left?
  - noahtallen 4y ago
    Because tech workers aren’t always straight left. HN is a fantastic example — it leans much more right than a lot of other internet forums. Partly just because entrepreneurship means you have to get along with capitalism at some level. Saying this as someone who is progressive. It’s definitely a relatively progressive field, but maybe not as much as you’d think!

BurningFrog 4y ago

It's very common on the left to demand suppression of "hate speech". Of course, that commonly ends up mostly meaning "speech I hate".

afavour 4y ago
You’ve made a very vague statement there. There are extremes in every political movement, no doubt. I don’t deny that there are people on the left out there protesting against “hate speech”. There are also people on the right that are out and out racist. I think choosing whether to vote Democrat or Republican based on either of those extremes is a poor choice. OP said: > I would have identified as a Democrat on pretty much every issue, but this authoritarian suppression So we’re not talking about vague “leftists” here, we’re specifically talking about the Democratic Party. You’re going to have a rough time arguing they are campaigning on authoritarianism.
kevingadd 4y ago
So in this specific case, for one example, we're talking about Biden's team requesting the removal of revenge porn. Do you think it's acceptable to make that request? Should Twitter be obligated to leave revenge porn up? Is this an example of the 'suppression of "hate speech"' you're referring to with scare quotes? Because it doesn't seem like one to me.
ruszki 4y ago
There are several countries in Western Europe where there are such laws, and it never means that.

we_never_see_it 4y ago

nonethewiser 4y ago

In theory yes. But Twitter isn't a mix of liberal and conservative. Its straight left.

polygamous_bat 4y ago
Twitter is (or was) filled with young, affluent, highly educated (at least college graduate) city dwellers. By any metric that's a demographics that leans heavily left. How is that a surprise that Twitter was straight left?
- noahtallen 4y ago
  Because tech workers aren’t always straight left. HN is a fantastic example — it leans much more right than a lot of other internet forums. Partly just because entrepreneurship means you have to get along with capitalism at some level. Saying this as someone who is progressive. It’s definitely a relatively progressive field, but maybe not as much as you’d think!