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It should please you to hear that the Biden team was not the government at the time.

by avemg 4y ago

copenja 4y ago
Was he not a US Senator?
- avemg 4y ago
  He left the Senate in 2009 when he became vice president. He left the VP office in 2016 after Obama's second term ended. He was private citizen when this was happening. Powerful person? Sure. An agent of the government? No.
- deleted 4y ago
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- agripa2 4y ago
  Nope. He was a private citizen at this point in time.
- freejazz 4y ago
  No, hasn't been since he was elected to VP in 2008.
andrew_ 4y ago
The Biden Team had the entire DNC behind them, which also means a vast majority of sitting Democrats. I'm confused by the effort to separate Biden's election team from the appendages of the government that were aligned by party and committee.
stale2002 4y ago
This is a distinction with little difference. They can just as much suppress speech, by using the implied threat of future government action. And this is basically just as bad.
- dd36 4y ago
  That might be problematic if they were threatened in that way. Twitter, however, could fight that rather effectively and easily…
- raydev 4y ago
  > implied threat of future government action Can you point to the emails/comms where this was implied?
  - stale2002 4y ago
    Yes, it is implied when a person who is running for president has their team reach out to a social media company to ask them to take down content. That happening, ever, at all, implies a non zero chance that if you refuse, they will be upset and do something about it. Something does not have to be 100% certain for it to have a huge chilling effect on speech. The best kinds of threats are the ones that don't have to be spoken aloud, or even referenced in anyway. Merely asking for content to be removed, is the threat, in and of itself, when you are the election team for a former vice president, who is running for president.
    - nequo 4y ago
      I don’t understand. Wasn’t the President himself constantly asking the media to do as he liked? If Twitter felt compelled by the Democratic campign, why wouldn’t they have felt compelled by the GOP too? Did Twitter somehow foresee that the election, which was so narrow that it took until the weekend to call it, would be won by the Dems and not the GOP, and that therefore they should comply with the Dems’ requests and not the President’s?
      - stale2002 4y ago
        > I don’t understand. Ok. Well let me explained. The biden team, was behind the scenes trying to get content/speech removed from a major platform.
chrisbaker98 4y ago
Trump's running for president again. If something comes out in October 2024 that looks bad for Trump, and Elon's Twitter censors the story at the request of Trump's team, will it please you to hear that Trump isn't (yet) in government?
- avemg 4y ago
  It would, yes.
yucky 4y ago
Biden was Vice President at the time the Hunter Biden emails selling access to him were sent, which is exactly what the story was about. "10% for the Big Guy" while he was VP should definitely be a story when that same former VP was then running for President. Especially now that he has delivered on that access, by funneling billions to those same Ukrainian powerbrokers in the form of military aid and infrastructure spending.

It should please you to hear that the Biden team was not the government at the time.

by avemg 4y ago

It should please you to hear that the Biden team was not the government at the time.

copenja 4y ago

Was he not a US Senator?

avemg 4y ago
He left the Senate in 2009 when he became vice president. He left the VP office in 2016 after Obama's second term ended. He was private citizen when this was happening. Powerful person? Sure. An agent of the government? No.
deleted 4y ago
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agripa2 4y ago
Nope. He was a private citizen at this point in time.
freejazz 4y ago
No, hasn't been since he was elected to VP in 2008.

andrew_ 4y ago

The Biden Team had the entire DNC behind them, which also means a vast majority of sitting Democrats. I'm confused by the effort to separate Biden's election team from the appendages of the government that were aligned by party and committee.

stale2002 4y ago

This is a distinction with little difference. They can just as much suppress speech, by using the implied threat of future government action. And this is basically just as bad.

dd36 4y ago
That might be problematic if they were threatened in that way. Twitter, however, could fight that rather effectively and easily…
raydev 4y ago
> implied threat of future government action Can you point to the emails/comms where this was implied?
- stale2002 4y ago
  Yes, it is implied when a person who is running for president has their team reach out to a social media company to ask them to take down content. That happening, ever, at all, implies a non zero chance that if you refuse, they will be upset and do something about it. Something does not have to be 100% certain for it to have a huge chilling effect on speech. The best kinds of threats are the ones that don't have to be spoken aloud, or even referenced in anyway. Merely asking for content to be removed, is the threat, in and of itself, when you are the election team for a former vice president, who is running for president.
  - nequo 4y ago
    I don’t understand. Wasn’t the President himself constantly asking the media to do as he liked? If Twitter felt compelled by the Democratic campign, why wouldn’t they have felt compelled by the GOP too? Did Twitter somehow foresee that the election, which was so narrow that it took until the weekend to call it, would be won by the Dems and not the GOP, and that therefore they should comply with the Dems’ requests and not the President’s?
    - stale2002 4y ago
      > I don’t understand. Ok. Well let me explained. The biden team, was behind the scenes trying to get content/speech removed from a major platform.

chrisbaker98 4y ago

Trump's running for president again. If something comes out in October 2024 that looks bad for Trump, and Elon's Twitter censors the story at the request of Trump's team, will it please you to hear that Trump isn't (yet) in government?

avemg 4y ago
It would, yes.

yucky 4y ago

Biden was Vice President at the time the Hunter Biden emails selling access to him were sent, which is exactly what the story was about. "10% for the Big Guy" while he was VP should definitely be a story when that same former VP was then running for President. Especially now that he has delivered on that access, by funneling billions to those same Ukrainian powerbrokers in the form of military aid and infrastructure spending.