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It seems like something like this will never hit the HN frontpage. I ponder if its really just due to the upvote/downvote + flag ratio. Edit: It seems to have
by sva_ 4y ago
It seems like something like this will never hit the HN frontpage. I ponder if its really just due to the upvote/downvote + flag ratio.
Edit: It seems to have been unflagged manually.
- codefreeordie 4y agoNo, this will almost certainly not hit the frontpage. The dupe detector has already started removing all the threads, even though on other topics it only engages after a topic actually gets picked up. Every effort will be taken to suppress this story, just like the story it's talking about. (And remember that dang has before admitted to manually editing scores and reordering the front page to suit his preferences for what the community talk about) None of the threads are even in the top 500 posts, despite the score being much higher than plenty of other posts which have made it. (Most of the things on the 15th page are like 5 points in 12 hours) edit: Here is a recent comment from dang himself where he talks about a moderator altering the score of a post downward because it wasn't the kind of content that they wanted to be popular: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33698592 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33698592 edit 2 since im not allowed to reply to you @dang: I posted the one because I was not being believed. Finding a bunch of them was too much work. You may not "make a secret" of it, but clearly lots of people don't know that the frontpage is actually what the moderators want folks to talk about, not what actually gets the upvotes. Oh, and reread your comment to me. Your comment uses exactly the style and tone for which you routinely chastise folks. You're doing a really good job, actually, of making my point for me.
- cwkoss 4y agoidk, maybe the dupe detector is removing threads because there are multiple people posting it.
- codefreeordie 4y agoNormally, the dupe detector only detects dupes that have actually been "seen" edit: here's dang himself on how the dupe detector ignores things that haven't had their chance in the sun yet: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33824482 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33824482
- gfdgfdgdfggf 4y agoThis thread has been "flagged" multiple times too.
- assttoasstmgr 4y ago[removed]
- codefreeordie 4y agofor sure. It'll be really interesting tomorrow to see how much tech and media end up suppressing this story too. Presumably, just like with the story this is all about, they'll just ban all mention of it and delete everybody's accounts because of "safety" or something. I'm actively watching a variety of mainstream press to see if any of them cover the story, but honestly I doubt they will, other than maybe to have an AP fact check that says that the whole thing is false and that Elon made it all up.
- theCrowing 4y ago
- xqcgrek2 4y agoIf what you say about dang is true, he needs to be fired.
- prawn 4y agoYou're posting on a site where I'd guess that even the figurehead (PG) is so sick of the petty squabbling that he now almost never posts here himself. I imagine PG has confidence in how @dang attempts to moderate HN. My suggestion is that instead of thinking about the moderating preventing certain topics being discussed, understand that it's trying to discourage things that engender certain styles of discussions. @dang talks consistently and clearly about wanting posts that satisfy intellectual curiosity. There are other sites for that. As one example to hopefully demonstrate this isn't some political bias: while other sites seem forever covered with articles and threads about negative Musk/Twitter stories, they very rarely make it from New to Front here, because I'd say moderators have little confidence they ever lead to HN-style discussions.
- dang 4y agoWhy stop there? https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20downweight&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20curate&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20moderate&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=%22upvotes%20alone%22%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... Seems pretty silly to cherry-pick one comment as if it's a gotcha when I've posted such things a thousand times or more and none of it is secret. HN is a moderated/curated site—it always has been, and no one has ever claimed otherwise.
- dang 4y ago> edit 2 since im not allowed to reply to you @dang You're allowed to reply to me just fine. Your account is rate-limited because you've been using HN primarily for ideological battle and ignoring our requests to stop. That's against the rules for good reason: it destroys what this site is supposed to be for. We ban accounts that do it, and you know what else? despite every ideologue's passionate perception, we do so regardless of which ideology they're wedded to. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33618426 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33618426 (Nov 2022) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33267514 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33267514 (Oct 2022) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32976185 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32976185 (Sept 2022) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32505278 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32505278 (Aug 2022) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31873013 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31873013 (June 2022) Normally I'd take the rate limit off, at least temporarily, since there's nothing you're saying that doesn't have a straightforward refutation, and I like answering criticisms and trusting readers to make up their own minds. However, I have to meet a friend for dinner in 5 minutes and probably won't be able to look in on this thread for a few hours. Since you've already posted a bunch of false and/or misleading things (starting with "Every effort will be taken to suppress this story" and downhill from there), I think it prudent to wait until I'm free to respond.
- phphphphp 4y agoI love drama and chaos as much as any nerd with too much time on their hands… but this story has not a single compelling nugget to it. Like, the tweets so far are so un-juicy that I would like to ensure this doesn’t ever go to the frontpage so nobody else wastes their time reading this boring non-story. I wish it was worth reading.
- gfdgfdgdfggf 4y agoSocial media executives manipulating narratives to support their favored presidential candidate is a non-story?
- phphphphp 4y agoThere’s zero evidence of that, so far at least. The emails show nothing of the sort: they show a bunch of people ham-fistedly trying to enforce policies designed to protect the company. I look forward to seeing some evidence that people at Twitter were in cahoots in order to support Joe Biden, but thus far, there’s zero evidence of that — it’s the most mundane behaviour you could imagine.
- gfdgfdgdfggf 4y agoMatt Taibbi tweeted evidence of it.[1] [1] https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598831758207696896 https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598831758207696896
- phphphphp 4y agoThat’s evidence that they applied their policies. There is no evidence that they applied these policies in order to favour Biden. I will happily accept evidence that they did it to favour Biden, if some is shown… but that has not happened yet.
- lhnz 4y agoIn their emails, they seemed to be be brainstorming ways of insisting that they were only applying their policies as normal, but not everybody agreed that this was the case. I don't think we need to read between the lines here. There were people in Twitter that felt they were overstepping things and emails from various people in the US government, but the communications team were very careful to ensure that they pointed towards their policy about hacked materials and to give themselves leeway by claiming that they were just applying an abundance of caution to the situation.
- idlewords 4y agoThis comment illustrates why it's a good idea to prune these kinds of stories from the homepage. No one learns anything new or surprising from discussing this stuff here, at this point we could have the same political nerdfight in our sleep.
- Waterluvian 4y agoI think if your focus is on the discourse, you’re right. But I bet you the majority of people who saw this item on the front page aren’t interested in comments and this is a form of news. To be aware that this is a thing.
- idlewords 4y agoMy belief is this kind of news is hard to miss elsewhere, so no one is harmed if it's culled from here. But I'm open to correction on that point; everyone has their own surfing habits.
- tptacek 4y agoIt's awfully stupid, but as a meta point, take a step back and see how well HN's moderation focuses it all on this one dumb thread, and preserves the rest of the home page for a bunch of random tech stories, to the point where there's still room for "Roman Egypt was a strange province". It's pretty impressive. It wasn't always this good! Back during Snowdonia, the whole front page would be 11 different flavors of NSA stories.
- sva_ 4y ago> No one learns anything new or surprising from discussing this stuff here It was surprising to me to see that the various political parties are in direct contact with people at Twitter to remove stuff, and I consider myself fairly well informed.
- tptacek 4y agoEverybody reports everything to everybody. If that surprises you, reconsider how well informed you are. "Competitors work refs; film at 11."