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GP didn't say "layoffs are inhumane", but that the manner in which people have been fired is inhumane.

mynameisvlad 4y ago
As an example of this, being laid off is not inhumane, but being laid off on Thanksgiving day while on paternity leave certainly is.
- ilyt 4y ago
  Entirely depends on severance package.
  - mynameisvlad 4y ago
    Highly disagree. You can't just throw money at a problem to make it go away. These are real people with real lives that were needlessly disrupted on what is supposed to be a day for love and thankfulness. Sure is a shitty and inhumane way to thank your employees.
    - ilyt 4y ago
      The assumption here is that if you're paid that well you won't have survival issues or that much problem getting a new job If there is time to get a big bag of money from your employee the holiday month is the best one
      - mynameisvlad 4y ago
        Great, now you have money but your life was disrupted during what most call a global recession and with thousands of highly skilled engineers also out there trying to find a job. While you’re caring for a newborn or desperately trying to remain in the country. During thanksgiving. So how exactly does giving someone money not make this a shitty and heartless thing to do? You know, what some might call “inhumane”? Once again, throwing cash at the problem doesn’t fix it. Getting money might be nice, but it doesn’t magically fix the lack of a job.
dibt 4y ago
What was the "inhumane" manner? From https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1588671155766194176 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1588671155766194176 "Everyone exited was offered 3 months of severance, which is 50% more than legally required." Seems reasonably generous. Certainly not "inhumane."
- aussieshibe 4y ago
  > What was the "inhumane" manner? You should probably ask this of the original commenter. I've not made any claims one way or the other about whether anything inhumane happened.
- in_cahoots 4y ago
  That statement is inaccurate for many reasons. Employees in India and other countries were offered nothing. The “severance” is really 1 month severance and 2 months garden leave, which is required under WARN and may not be paid if employees get another job. This is a direct contradiction of the terms of the merger. If you trust Elon to do the right thing for employees after seeing the class action lawsuits at Tesla (and more are on the way for Twitter), I have a bridge to sell you.
  - dibt 4y ago
    > If you trust Elon to do the right thing Where did I say I trust Elon or any other CEO? Still waiting on someone to explain what is "inhumane" about getting laid off with a severance package. Remember we are talking about employees working at a big tech firm. They'll find work elsewhere, and have had pay above the national average. They likely have plenty of savings. I don't give a shit about Elon or Twitter. My comment was just holding someone accountable for the narrative they were creating. Typical for HN to have someone jump in with an irrelevant reply.
    - in_cahoots 4y ago
      How is the fact that Indian employees got no severance irrelevant?

As an example of this, being laid off is not inhumane, but being laid off on Thanksgiving day while on paternity leave certainly is.

ilyt 4y ago
Entirely depends on severance package.
- mynameisvlad 4y ago
  Highly disagree. You can't just throw money at a problem to make it go away. These are real people with real lives that were needlessly disrupted on what is supposed to be a day for love and thankfulness. Sure is a shitty and inhumane way to thank your employees.
  - ilyt 4y ago
    The assumption here is that if you're paid that well you won't have survival issues or that much problem getting a new job If there is time to get a big bag of money from your employee the holiday month is the best one
    - mynameisvlad 4y ago
      Great, now you have money but your life was disrupted during what most call a global recession and with thousands of highly skilled engineers also out there trying to find a job. While you’re caring for a newborn or desperately trying to remain in the country. During thanksgiving. So how exactly does giving someone money not make this a shitty and heartless thing to do? You know, what some might call “inhumane”? Once again, throwing cash at the problem doesn’t fix it. Getting money might be nice, but it doesn’t magically fix the lack of a job.

dibt 4y ago

What was the "inhumane" manner? From https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1588671155766194176 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1588671155766194176 "Everyone exited was offered 3 months of severance, which is 50% more than legally required." Seems reasonably generous. Certainly not "inhumane."

aussieshibe 4y ago
> What was the "inhumane" manner? You should probably ask this of the original commenter. I've not made any claims one way or the other about whether anything inhumane happened.
in_cahoots 4y ago
That statement is inaccurate for many reasons. Employees in India and other countries were offered nothing. The “severance” is really 1 month severance and 2 months garden leave, which is required under WARN and may not be paid if employees get another job. This is a direct contradiction of the terms of the merger. If you trust Elon to do the right thing for employees after seeing the class action lawsuits at Tesla (and more are on the way for Twitter), I have a bridge to sell you.
- dibt 4y ago
  > If you trust Elon to do the right thing Where did I say I trust Elon or any other CEO? Still waiting on someone to explain what is "inhumane" about getting laid off with a severance package. Remember we are talking about employees working at a big tech firm. They'll find work elsewhere, and have had pay above the national average. They likely have plenty of savings. I don't give a shit about Elon or Twitter. My comment was just holding someone accountable for the narrative they were creating. Typical for HN to have someone jump in with an irrelevant reply.
  - in_cahoots 4y ago
    How is the fact that Indian employees got no severance irrelevant?