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It's fascinating how Elon Musk supporters on Twitter cheered, almost like a sports team, when the Twitter employees got fired in such inhumane ways by Elon Musk

It's fascinating how Elon Musk supporters on Twitter cheered, almost like a sports team, when the Twitter employees got fired in such inhumane ways by Elon Musk. Don't his supporters realize that Elon would do the same thing to them if they worked at Twitter? The stereotype about conservatives ring true - they don't care about others until it affects them personally.

badpun 4y ago
Employing people who barely provide any value is no good for anyone in the long run. Full employment was always the primary goal of all communist countries, so (state) companies were practically required to employ everyone on the job market. Many of those people had little to do and so, when people got their salaries at the end of the month, there wasn't that much stuff in the stores to buy with it, as the companies didn't have much of an output.
- factsarelolz 4y ago
  This 100%. Look at how much the employees of SV/FAANG companies donate to politicians and which ones. It's not hard to see the money laundering going on.
- MikePlacid 4y ago
  It's fun to see a simple plain truth downvoted. I was a software engineer in the Soviet Union. To buy your family something to eat (like milk, or cheese) you should skip work and spend an hour or more standing in lines at a grocery store. I used a different strategy: work late and around 8 pm there were no lines at you could still buy sour milk, bread and canned fish in tomato sauce. I survived on this and was pretty happy cause I liked my job. But remember the requirement: no kids...
  - tartoran 4y ago
    Would you mind reframing what you’re trying to say here (because it doesn’t make much sense in this context)?
    - MikePlacid 4y ago
      I will be glad to clarify your understanding of my story, but it is hard to do when you have not described what your understanding is. But let me try. The context was: Thesis: Employing people who barely provide any value is no good for anyone in the long run. Argument: Full employment was always the primary goal of all communist countries, so (state) companies were practically required to employ everyone on the job market. (My comment was: Plain, simple truth.) The argument continues: Many of those people had little to do and so, when people got their salaries at the end of the month, there wasn't that much stuff in the stores to buy with it, as the companies didn't have much of an output. (My comment was: Plain, simple truth again. My story: just an illustration what my "living experience" as a software engineer was in these conditions. Basically: if your do not want to spend a lot of time in lines, you can't get milk. Not enough milk was produced to cover all the money paid to all the workers. Only sour milk to those who prefer to spend their time working.)
- ilyt 4y ago
  I'm suspicious many redesigns came from just that. The app is needed, so we hire people to make app. We got a bunch of designers and developers to develop UI in a team. But OH NO!, WE DID A GOOD JOB! EVERYTHING WORKS AND IS EASILY EXTENSIBLE! What next? There isn't enough work on the new stuff ? We just add UI for a feature other team develops every so often, that's not enough work to go by. And, more importantly, MANAGER CAN'T MAKE THEMSELVES LOOK GOOD when doing only maintenance and not delivering features. What to do, what to do? I know ? Let's rewrite perfectly functioning UI again! Let's fuck around with stuff that works fine already. Make it look "modern" while we're at it. Use new framework so we can't reuse that much code. That will keep the devs busy and manager getting bonuses!
KMag 4y ago
The sad fact is that most people really care about their 150 or so closest acquaintances, somewhat care about people in their various tribes, and try and largely fail to have much compassion for outsiders. For the majority of people, their espoused political leanings are rationalizations they tell themselves to cover selfish underlying motivations. Elon has his fanboys, who are going to fan. I think they probably skew fiscally and regulatorily laissez-faire, socially progressive, and middle-aged more than they skew classical conservative.
- pessimizer 4y ago
  > The sad fact is that most people really care about their 150 or so closest acquaintances Which is the best reason that upper-middle class people are screaming about Twitter layoffs. The worst reason is just because they repeat what they've read to each other as a proxy for conversation.
pessimizer 4y ago
Layoffs aren't particularly inhumane, they're common, especially after a change of leadership. If you want workers' rights, fight for them. It's bizarre to make it into a soap opera of judging the moral worth of great men. It's bizarre how Musk has been propped up into a surrogate for the bad aspects of capitalism, especially by an administration that just overruled a union vote through legislation.
- aussieshibe 4y ago
  GP didn't say "layoffs are inhumane", but that the manner in which people have been fired is inhumane.
  - mynameisvlad 4y ago
    As an example of this, being laid off is not inhumane, but being laid off on Thanksgiving day while on paternity leave certainly is.
    - ilyt 4y ago
      Entirely depends on severance package.
      - mynameisvlad 4y ago
        Highly disagree. You can't just throw money at a problem to make it go away. These are real people with real lives that were needlessly disrupted on what is supposed to be a day for love and thankfulness. Sure is a shitty and inhumane way to thank your employees.
        ilyt 4y ago
        The assumption here is that if you're paid that well you won't have survival issues or that much problem getting a new job If there is time to get a big bag of money from your employee the holiday month is the best one
factsarelolz 4y ago
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- aussieshibe 4y ago
  > the ones against the Elon take over cheered when people lost their jobs over a vaccination Do you have a source for this? What makes you think it's the same people?
dibt 4y ago
> It's fascinating how Elon Musk supporters on Twitter cheered, almost like a sports team, when the Twitter employees got fired in such inhumane ways by Elon Musk Do you have any examples? Did they identify as Musk supporters? One or two tweets with a sufficiently high amount of replies and 'likes' should be enough. Otherwise, I'd wonder if you are painting a narrative.
ilyt 4y ago
I think it comes from the fact that musk & his cult got shit thrown their way from Twitter-leaning people when he started talking about free speech, as it appeared that they were unhappy that Twitter might stop banning people that have "incorrect" political opinions. So the firings is seen as "karma" coming back to people that "didn't wanted free speech", even if fired person might be utterly unrelated to the whole thing. > fired in such inhumane ways gotta complain to your legislators here, musk would be fucked if he tried shit like that in EU... > The stereotype about conservatives ring true - they don't care about others until it affects them personally. That's basic human group behaviour and nothing characteristic for any political group. The other side behaves literally identical. Or, well, as usual, the some individuals in the group do, but, also as usual, the more extreme elements of a group often form its public image.

badpun 4y ago

Employing people who barely provide any value is no good for anyone in the long run. Full employment was always the primary goal of all communist countries, so (state) companies were practically required to employ everyone on the job market. Many of those people had little to do and so, when people got their salaries at the end of the month, there wasn't that much stuff in the stores to buy with it, as the companies didn't have much of an output.

factsarelolz 4y ago
This 100%. Look at how much the employees of SV/FAANG companies donate to politicians and which ones. It's not hard to see the money laundering going on.
MikePlacid 4y ago
It's fun to see a simple plain truth downvoted. I was a software engineer in the Soviet Union. To buy your family something to eat (like milk, or cheese) you should skip work and spend an hour or more standing in lines at a grocery store. I used a different strategy: work late and around 8 pm there were no lines at you could still buy sour milk, bread and canned fish in tomato sauce. I survived on this and was pretty happy cause I liked my job. But remember the requirement: no kids...
- tartoran 4y ago
  Would you mind reframing what you’re trying to say here (because it doesn’t make much sense in this context)?
  - MikePlacid 4y ago
    I will be glad to clarify your understanding of my story, but it is hard to do when you have not described what your understanding is. But let me try. The context was: Thesis: Employing people who barely provide any value is no good for anyone in the long run. Argument: Full employment was always the primary goal of all communist countries, so (state) companies were practically required to employ everyone on the job market. (My comment was: Plain, simple truth.) The argument continues: Many of those people had little to do and so, when people got their salaries at the end of the month, there wasn't that much stuff in the stores to buy with it, as the companies didn't have much of an output. (My comment was: Plain, simple truth again. My story: just an illustration what my "living experience" as a software engineer was in these conditions. Basically: if your do not want to spend a lot of time in lines, you can't get milk. Not enough milk was produced to cover all the money paid to all the workers. Only sour milk to those who prefer to spend their time working.)
ilyt 4y ago
I'm suspicious many redesigns came from just that. The app is needed, so we hire people to make app. We got a bunch of designers and developers to develop UI in a team. But OH NO!, WE DID A GOOD JOB! EVERYTHING WORKS AND IS EASILY EXTENSIBLE! What next? There isn't enough work on the new stuff ? We just add UI for a feature other team develops every so often, that's not enough work to go by. And, more importantly, MANAGER CAN'T MAKE THEMSELVES LOOK GOOD when doing only maintenance and not delivering features. What to do, what to do? I know ? Let's rewrite perfectly functioning UI again! Let's fuck around with stuff that works fine already. Make it look "modern" while we're at it. Use new framework so we can't reuse that much code. That will keep the devs busy and manager getting bonuses!

KMag 4y ago

The sad fact is that most people really care about their 150 or so closest acquaintances, somewhat care about people in their various tribes, and try and largely fail to have much compassion for outsiders. For the majority of people, their espoused political leanings are rationalizations they tell themselves to cover selfish underlying motivations. Elon has his fanboys, who are going to fan. I think they probably skew fiscally and regulatorily laissez-faire, socially progressive, and middle-aged more than they skew classical conservative.

pessimizer 4y ago
> The sad fact is that most people really care about their 150 or so closest acquaintances Which is the best reason that upper-middle class people are screaming about Twitter layoffs. The worst reason is just because they repeat what they've read to each other as a proxy for conversation.

pessimizer 4y ago

Layoffs aren't particularly inhumane, they're common, especially after a change of leadership. If you want workers' rights, fight for them. It's bizarre to make it into a soap opera of judging the moral worth of great men. It's bizarre how Musk has been propped up into a surrogate for the bad aspects of capitalism, especially by an administration that just overruled a union vote through legislation.

aussieshibe 4y ago
GP didn't say "layoffs are inhumane", but that the manner in which people have been fired is inhumane.
- mynameisvlad 4y ago
  As an example of this, being laid off is not inhumane, but being laid off on Thanksgiving day while on paternity leave certainly is.
  - ilyt 4y ago
    Entirely depends on severance package.
    - mynameisvlad 4y ago
      Highly disagree. You can't just throw money at a problem to make it go away. These are real people with real lives that were needlessly disrupted on what is supposed to be a day for love and thankfulness. Sure is a shitty and inhumane way to thank your employees.
      - ilyt 4y ago
        The assumption here is that if you're paid that well you won't have survival issues or that much problem getting a new job If there is time to get a big bag of money from your employee the holiday month is the best one

factsarelolz 4y ago

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aussieshibe 4y ago
> the ones against the Elon take over cheered when people lost their jobs over a vaccination Do you have a source for this? What makes you think it's the same people?

dibt 4y ago

> It's fascinating how Elon Musk supporters on Twitter cheered, almost like a sports team, when the Twitter employees got fired in such inhumane ways by Elon Musk Do you have any examples? Did they identify as Musk supporters? One or two tweets with a sufficiently high amount of replies and 'likes' should be enough. Otherwise, I'd wonder if you are painting a narrative.

ilyt 4y ago

I think it comes from the fact that musk & his cult got shit thrown their way from Twitter-leaning people when he started talking about free speech, as it appeared that they were unhappy that Twitter might stop banning people that have "incorrect" political opinions. So the firings is seen as "karma" coming back to people that "didn't wanted free speech", even if fired person might be utterly unrelated to the whole thing. > fired in such inhumane ways gotta complain to your legislators here, musk would be fucked if he tried shit like that in EU... > The stereotype about conservatives ring true - they don't care about others until it affects them personally. That's basic human group behaviour and nothing characteristic for any political group. The other side behaves literally identical. Or, well, as usual, the some individuals in the group do, but, also as usual, the more extreme elements of a group often form its public image.